FOLLOWUP: What’s next for SW Admiral Way Safety Project? Neighbors ask councilmember to get SDOT to work with them

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

Tonight’s Alki Community Council meeting tonight is scheduled to include an informational item about the Keep Alki Safe campaign opposing SDOT‘s planned changes to SW Admiral Way west of California SW.

With no date yet for SDOT’s next move, two months after the last meeting about the proposal, those with potential stakes in the proposal for lane-configuration changes on Admiral west of California are not just watching and waiting. At least two groups have met with City Councilmember Tom Rasmussen. One of them invited us to sit in.

The Keep Alki Safe group is primarily from the blocks where SDOT proposes consolidating parking on one side while removing about 200 spaces, to “encourage slower speeds and reduce collisions, as well as add a buffered bike along most of the corridor.” The meeting to which we were invited was held in a living room last week, in the 5700 block, where some of the yards held the signs they had designed and printed to let passersby know what is going on.

As much as opposing the details of the city plan, their primary concern seemed to be that SDOT wasn’t working with or even communicating with them. The agency “is blowing us off,” one neighbor declared. They asked Rasmussen to help them get a chance to voice their concerns; he promised to do what he can.

But first – he listened.

The neighbors gathered in a sunny living room in the 5700 block of SW Admiral Way, one of the stretches where SDOT’s original proposal – the only one put out publicly so far – calls for removal of parking on one side of the street.

The meeting’s host, Chris, acknowledged it had galvanized him into getting off the sidelines and into community action. Before the proposal first surfaced in a presentation to the Admiral Neighborhood Association in April (WSB coverage here), Chris said he’d just heard rumors. Then suddenly – a plan, without the city having talked to the neighbors first.

While he said it’s been a “good experience” to meet weekly with neighbors, united in one cause, on the other hand, it might even have been better, the sentiment seemed, if they hadn’t had to do that rallying at all. “This was sort of sprung on us, they didn’t seek community input and come up with a plan, they said, ‘here’s a plan’.”

Going around the room, they told their stories. He bought the house two years ago, “single-car garage, great view, great neighborhood,” was advised not to park on that side of the street – did it anyway – and in August last year, someone “went off the road, totaled (his) car in the middle of the night, and drove off.”

Neighbor Jackie said she’s had “three cars wrecked on this side of the street, always impaired drivers, in the middle of the night, who disappear.” She pointed out the Alki parking overlay, which requires at least 1 1/2 parking spaces per residence. When people come to visit Alki, they park all the way up to where SW Lander intersects. She sees it as “a social-justice issue – you’re removing access to the beach from so many people who come from (elsewhere).” She said she was doing public-disclosure requests: “I don’t think this street is as dangerous as they’ve made it out to be.”

The proposed plan cites 48 crashes along the stretch in the past four years, and neighbors cited many of the crashes predominantly taking a toll on their parked cars:

It also happened to Brent, a 26-year resident who recalled the May project meeting (WSB coverage here) at which SDOT staffers stunned the neighbors by saying they had done parking studies in winter to reach the conclusion that the proposed-for-removal on-street parking spaces wouldn’t be missed. “They didn’t sound like they knew where they were working.”

From the 5300 block, Steve said he has some alley parking, but not all his neighbors are “so lucky,” including Brenda, mother of three small children, who expressed fear that changes will require her to cross busy Admiral Way multiple times a day, while trying to protect them.

Alan said he has three grandchildren aged 6 and below, and couldn’t imagine them coming to visit, parking across the street “with all the stuff (the family has to) schlep around.”

Dan mentioned the recent Seafair Pirates Landing event on Alki (June 27th) and how bumper-to-bumper the parking was.

Events and the beach aren’t the only draw – Schmitz Preserve Park is along the project stretch, and has no parking, Chris noted.

Not everyone was focused on the parking. Joe – Jackie’s brother – said that removing the center lane would be “a disaster waiting to happen.” Overall, he felt “the folks at SDOT don’t have a clue about Admiral Way.”

A man who identified himself as pro-bicycle said he didn’t think the area would be ideal for bicycle riding even if this stretch of Admiral does get dedicated lanes. A woman describing herself as a bike commuter talked about the road’s treacherous potholes.

Chris picked it back up from there. “We don’t want to be portrayed as the NIMBY ‘don’t do that’ types,” he told Rasmussen. Unique factors, they felt, made this a bad idea, such as the sweeping curve on the hill.

After listening to the concerns, the councilmember spoke. “The neighborhood needs to know that this is (an idea) that can be win-win for both. Safety for bicycling, also addressing the needs of the neighborhood. … What’s really important is for SDOT to work with you for a design that will work with your concerns.”

At that point, he mentioned having met with “a group of your neighbors” the previous night. That was, we later confirmed, West Seattle Bike Connections, whose membership is “very supportive” of the idea to increase safety on the street, Rasmussen reaffirmed. “It’s important to come up with a design that will make the street safer.”

One neighbor voiced regret that there was a perception of antagonism between supporters and opponents of the current SDOT plan. “Did you see any common ground between us?” the councilmember was asked. His reply: “The common ground is safety.”

Subsequently asked if there’s a chance that the project could be totally scrapped, Rasmussen said, in not-so-many words, “no.”

But, the neighbors said, SDOT “has to understand the street they’re talking about,” and its variable usage – holidays, sunny weekends.

“So what can we do?” one person finally asked.

Keep working with SDOT, was Rasmussen’s reply. His promise in turn, was to ask them to “understand the neighborhoods.”

The neighbors, in turn, said they hope to “see an alternative concept,” and to see the data that SDOT comes up with regarding parking, before the city returns with another version of its plan. Rasmussen said he would ask SDOT to share information, and that he would then “consult with you in a really constructive way so hopefully they can come up with a plan that would address some of your concerns.”

At the end, it wasn’t a big ask, not a “make this go away” ask, but rather: “Anything you can do to help get our voice to the people who need to hear it” would be appreciated. “I do think it’s important for SDOT to work with you on this issue – you do have extraordinary conditions,” Rasmussen said in closing.

Hands were shaken; the city councilmember headed out, and so did we.

When we caught up with him at the 47th/Admiral signal celebration this past Tuesday night – six nights after the 57th/Admiral conversation at the heart of this story – Rasmussen said he has asked for a briefing on where this project stands at the next meeting of the council’s Transportation Committee, which he chairs. (That will be July 28th.)

Meantime, Keep Alki Safe continues collecting online petition signatures here, and as mentioned at the start of this story, it’s scheduled for discussion at tonight’s Alki Community Council meeting, 7 pm at Alki UCC Church (6115 SW Hinds).

And comments on the project – pro, con, otherwise – can be sent to its SDOT manager, Emily Ehlers, Emily.Ehlers@seattle.gov. (We’re checking with her about whether the promised midsummer traffic study has been done yet.

21 Replies to "FOLLOWUP: What's next for SW Admiral Way Safety Project? Neighbors ask councilmember to get SDOT to work with them"

  • JayDee July 16, 2015 (6:42 pm)

    There is a traffic camera of sorts at 57th and Admiral, went up today. What I don’t get about SDOT: Did Cascade bike club say Admiral is dangerous? The number of collisions for a main arterial is expected and a lot cluster near CA. Ask me what the problem with Admiral is and pavement is my number one concern–it is rotting out from below. Between water main breaks, springs, and poor original installation, it’s a mess. Camber the turns to direct cars towards the center of the street, repave, and I will bet the street will be safer. SDOT: Solutions to Unnecessary Problems.

    • WSB July 16, 2015 (6:53 pm)

      We photographed the temporary equipment that’s been put into place after hearing about it secondhand and are still awaiting a reply from SDOT as to whether it’s related to the project.

  • Bree July 16, 2015 (7:00 pm)

    Seeing people go up Admiral from Alki going 38 – 45 miles per hour according to sign. They get on my bumper wanting me to speed up & sometimes they get irritated. I will at times just get out of the way & thus see the mileage sign and how fast they are going. It seems to be pretty consistent even going downhill towards Alki.

  • JayDee July 16, 2015 (7:11 pm)

    @Bree:

    With the turn lane and me doing 30-32 MPH I have had the occasional Lexus or Merc pass on the left in the LT lane. Worst happened at the pre-signal 47th Street–Wow that was confidence but more likely stupidity. But speeding is not really what the SDOT proposal is targeting. It’s providing a wandering bike lane…I think.

  • dsa July 16, 2015 (7:34 pm)

    To quote the transportation chairman:

    “”Subsequently asked if there’s a chance that the project could be totally scrapped, Rasmussen said, in not-so-many words, “no.””

  • Alki-user July 16, 2015 (8:29 pm)

    I have read through all this and I do not think this is bikes v. Cars. It is about a neighborhood and a community. Neighbors/residents should be able to park near their houses. Visitors to this treasured beach should be able to bring their families and have some reasonable chance to park – given that this is a very popular park with NO offstreet parking. This is not a good place to eliminate parking and I think SDOT should re-route the bike lanes. Nike lanes should not be put in at the cost of all others users. I join in this group’s opposition to SDOT’s proposal.

  • JN July 16, 2015 (10:13 pm)

    An uphill protected bike lane is all that is really needed for good bike access. Narrow the overly wide lanes, place the bike lane next to the curb with parking providing a safety buffer from the cars (not really any danger of dooring given the slower speed going uphill). A downhill bike lane next to parking creates more potential for injuries, so just forget that. You would only need to restrict parking where the roadway is too narrow, which is a small percentage of the roadway compared to the proposal. If people want to park where drunks hit their cars, I guess just let them where there is room.

  • Alki Rez July 16, 2015 (11:05 pm)

    I agree with Alki-user. I’m happy to share the road with bicyclists – although I can’t imagine Admiral Way as a “dream route” for cyclists – with or without a bike lane – because it is so long and steep when you can just go along nice flat Alki Ave.

    For our family, this issue is all about parking spaces. Not only spaces for visitors but for families who live here. I live on a side street off Admiral. If I leave to do an errand on the weekend, when I come back I can’t find a place to park!

    Has anybody mentioned summer beach parking is heaviest on evenings and weekends, which is also the *lightest* time for bus service? I would love to take the bus to do my errands but there are not enough hours in the day to do errands with Sunday service.

    So many of our visitors don’t live in Seattle and they all need to park somewhere.

    As to safety, isn’t anybody worried that all those drivers under the influence who clobber parked cars will now clobber bicyclists instead?

    What I find most offensive about the whole thing is that the parking space survey was done the last week of December. I don’t think that is evidence that SDOT doesn’t know our neighborhood. I think it is evidence they *do* know our neighborhood. How else would they know when to collect data so skewed in their favor?

    Looking forward to West Seattle having our own representative on the City Council.

  • Lacey July 17, 2015 (7:28 am)

    the reality is that cyclists need to be accommodated on pretty much every road, with a bike lane. And I don’t know how preventable drunk driving is, but if there could be more stop signs added and the lanes slimmed down, this is proven to slow traffic down and decrease accidents.
    And for those who say that hill isn’t an ideal route for cyclists and using it as a reason to not paint in a bike lane, please tell me how to avoid any hill in this city. Eventually you’re gonna have to go up a hill. And for those non-commuter cyclists, they’re probably seeking out the hill for the challenge.

  • A-Red July 17, 2015 (9:01 am)

    There is one goal for this project: improve safety.

    I have a hard time imagining that residents forced to park on the other side of a busy road will not increase car/ped injury accidents.

    I am a bike commuter–I understand the need for bike lanes. However, I don’t believe the current plan makes sense.

    I don’t know the solution, but it seems to me there are long stretches of Admiral where the center lane is unnecessary. I’m not saying remove it the whole length of Admiral, but a thorough analysis might lead to a compromise solution.

  • Alki Rez July 17, 2015 (9:55 am)

    Speaking of safety on Admiral Way, on Wednesday, I saw my first instance of a driver running the new red light at 47th & Admiral. The driver was coming up the hill from the beach. ARGH!

  • Brian ws July 17, 2015 (12:35 pm)

    To the folks bemoaning this project, if you bought a house without your own private usable parking, that’s really your own fault. Having to cross the street? Head up the junction and see how far we have to park from our house if we park on street.

    At the least be honest about your motivations.

  • ChefJoe July 17, 2015 (3:54 pm)

    I find it funny you say that Brian ws, because even the leader of the West Seattle Bike Connections group parks on the street.

    “I live on Admiral, so I ride it daily, and park one vehicle on it and park another in a garage off of it.”

  • themightyrabbit July 17, 2015 (4:13 pm)

    @Brian ws, that’s the most rational statement here :-) I bought a house on an arterial, which had all the same problems, but added extra off street parking to limit the number of times my vehicles got totalled, which is more than once by low lifes deserving DUI processing. Luckily it worked out, now only my truck continues to be hit once in a while, most recently took out only the hub cap.

    Back to Admiral Way, since also I ride back from downtown by bicycle often, indeed Admiral is the most GENTLE SLOPE to get up the hill on that side compared to other roads. I’m kinda tired hearing that the road isn’t used by us, yes, it most certain is. And it’s an important route.

    To the claims about hill steepness being terrible, no not true at all, California Avenue SW is more steep, much more dangerous forcing me to ride on the sidewalk up that hill when I do. Indeed, I’ve seen cars overtaking other cars on that stretch downhill ( nutcases!! ), if I were not safely ( and legally ) on the sidewalk, I wouldn’t be typing this note.

    So….yes an uphill bike lane is needed for our safety, not all of us can afford expensive downtown parking, and the bus is, well, not always the nicest way to get around. Downhill bike lane?- of course not necessary, we all know that.

  • Kathy July 17, 2015 (9:17 pm)

    I agree, A-Red, take out the turn lanes instead so that people can have their parking space available at all times. They can get in line to make their left turns, and wait to pull out into traffic. That will help slow down traffic and eliminate people using the turn lane illegally. Seems like a good compromise, even though there was plenty of parking up and down Admiral Way at 6 PM on this sunny Friday evening. The visitors seem to prefer parking on the cross streets like 60th, 61st, 62nd and 63rd, not on Admiral Way. Maybe they feel it’s unsafe to park there.

  • Dis July 17, 2015 (11:53 pm)

    some people seem to know as much about Admiral Way as SDOT. Removing the center lane is a death sentence for the people who live on Admiral Way. Installing a downhill bike lane next to parked cars is a death sentence for cyclists. Kathy, you must not be from around here. Families don’t come to Alki Beach on Friday nights. And all the cars you see on 60th – 63rd? Those are largely residents. Those streets are fully parked all the time.

  • Bradley July 18, 2015 (3:19 pm)

    This city council and Mayor are turning West Seattle into one big NO PARKING zone. We should expect more of our city leaders. We should replace ALL council members in November. They will only listen to us when they are cleaning out their offices at City Hall.

  • Kathy July 19, 2015 (7:14 pm)

    dis, you must not be from around here. My house is on Admiral Way. Today (Sunday) at 1:21 PM, 88 degrees, sunny, lots of cars were milling around, and still I noticed while going uphill from Alki to the farmer’s market, there were exactly zero cars parked between 57th and Stevens on the south side of Admiral Way, and very few between Stevens and 53rd. Zero parked cars on both sides of Admiral Way from 51st to 49th. East of that I cannot testify since I turn on 49th and go up Stevens to get to the Alaska Junction. Side streets down here on the flat part south of Admiral Way are not normally “filled” with parked cars, but they do fill up for events and on busy weekends and sunny evenings. That is because people will always prefer to park on the flat and not have to walk up and down the hill. You had better be getting your data together to try to refute SDOT’s new parking study when it is presented, because from my vantage point living in Alki and traveling frequently to the junctions, I am just not seeing it. If you feel removing the center lane will be a “death sentence” then it will certainly be better to put the underutilized parking to use as a bike lane. Come to think of it, that unused parking lane does make a good bike lane, except when you come to the occasional cars you have to weave out into traffic to get around it. Not a very safe situation. About the downhill lane, if you went to the meetings and paid attention, SDOT stated clearly they would put a buffer in the door zone of the parked cars on the north side. You say families don’t come to Alki on Friday night? I call BS on that. You don’t seem to understand the character of Alki at all, but choose to view Admiral Way as a highway and parking lot for a pub district instead of a residential neighborhood arterial.

  • Brenda Gage July 19, 2015 (11:39 pm)

    @Brian Ws, I have three small children (4,3 & 5 months). Clearly hindsight is 20/20 and we would not have purchased our home if we had seen this coming. If this passes, we will be forced to cross the street to park. I am absolutely not trying to hide my motivations in wanting a solution that doesn’t eliminate parking in front of my house. Isn’t that what Vision Zero is all about? I would do anything to protect my kids.

    @Kathy, I agree there should be a safe bike lane also. I dream of biking around sans small children. We bought where we did because we walk EVERYWHERE, and I do wish the SDOT proposal had more safe cross walks for us walkers in it.

    @Bradley I agree about the NO PARKING ZONE comment. For the record, I am not opposed to change underutilized parking under the right circumstances. Regardless of what an SDOT survey says though, I find it surprising that with so much new construction, and Seattle being one of the fastest growing cities in addition to Alki being a tourist destination, that giving up 200 parking spaces would seem like a good decision to any resident (cyclists included). Especially if there is a sensible way around it. I honestly spend as little time driving as possible. If families like mine are pushed out into the ‘burbs’, there will be more cars on the road because we will have to have multiple cars and drive everywhere.

    If we as a city really want to be forward thinking, it seems we should put a focus on encouraging big businesses to provide more telecommuting options as well as flex-time (like the UK and many other parts of the world). We pay a ton of money to live here, so why not get more people working from home and enjoying the area? Obviously that option doesn’t work for all career fields, but for many it could. (It does for me).

  • Dis July 20, 2015 (12:07 pm)

    ha ha ha Kathy. I have lived at 58th and Admiral for 38 years. :-) There were plenty of cars parked on Admiral Way between 57th and 59th yesterday. That portion of the street was about 80% parked all day. I view it as a pub district or a highway? I’m much too old for pub district. Don’t make me laugh. Get my data together? Why? They are not asking me what I think :-)

    • WSB July 20, 2015 (12:20 pm)

      BTW I just talked with project manager Emily Ehlers and will have a separate followup at some point today. The parking study has not yet been done – the equipment seen on Admiral last week was for something else related to the project. – TR

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