West Seattle schools: Fairmount Park, Gatewood teacher swap sparks parent concern

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

The start of October – one month into the new school year – is when Seattle Public Schools traditionally has to make adjustments for unexpected circumstances at some of its campuses.

One such circumstance is about to affect two elementary schools in West Seattle, and we’ve been hearing all day from parents who are unhappy about it. At least one of the schools involved called a last-minute after-school meeting today to talk with families about it, and the district says other communications tools are being used.

In short, the newly reopened Fairmount Park Elementary School has more students than planned for – 367 in K-5 – and needs another teacher. Gatewood Elementary (with 405 total students), meantime, has fewer first-graders than expected – they had projected and staffed for four classes, but only need three. So, explains SPS spokesperson Lesley Rogers in response to our request for information, “In order to be fiscally responsible and assure our funding was being used where the greatest student need existed, at this time the district identified the opportunity to reduce Gatewood’s teaching staff by one teacher and increase Fairmount Park’s teaching staff by one teacher. This required no additional funding, and put the teacher where the need was greatest.”

It’s not entirely that simple, according to what parents have been sending us today. One Gatewood parent says the swap would involve sending the no-longer-needed-in-first-grade Gatewood teacher to a fourth-grade team-teaching class, and one teacher from that team, in its third year, would in turn be sent to Fairmount Park. Another letter circulating among parents also points out that 20 Gatewood first-graders will be going to new classrooms after a month.

Some parents are reported to be talking about raising money to keep an extra teacher at Gatewood. They tell us there is urgency to this, because apparently the decisions involving the teacher moves have to be finalized within a few days.

One Gatewood parent’s letter to this region’s Executive Director of Schools Israel Vela and School Board director Marty McLaren was forwarded to us. In part, it lists the concerns as:

This will disrupt teachers and students in harmful ways, including:

* Time and energy that teachers put toward creating a classroom environment and
bonding with students will be totally lost.

* Students will be abandoned by the teacher that they now know and thrown into a
new learning environment, including different classmates more than a month into the
school year.

* The size of 1st grade classes at Gatewood will go up.

* Teacher morale will go down.

* The parent groups that have risen up and come together to support each classroom will be divided.

* The relationship between Gatewood and Fairmount jeopardized.

Students will feel all of this. My child will be hurt by this plan. I ask you to take immediate action to prevent this plan.

This isn’t the only school that’s had to make changes, says district spokesperson Rogers: “The district made a commitment to our school leaders, teachers and families to quickly resolve over-crowding issues as close to our Oct. 1 enrollment count as possible. Earlier in September we were able to respond to overcrowding concerns at Alki and Arbor Heights with additional kindergarten teachers. We had been communicating with principals for the past several weeks regarding changes coming and this was one.”

In case you’re confused by the description of “overcrowding” at Fairmount Park, with fewer than 400 in a school expanded to 500 capacity, we were too; Rogers explains that it has to do with the contractual maximum number of students that can be in a class. Thanks again to everyone who tipped us on this; we’ll be following up.

ADDED 10:30 PM THURSDAY: Two notes – First, JTD looked up contact information for key district personnel; find it here. Second, several parents shared word that the Gatewood PTA has called a meeting related to this for 6:30 pm October 14th (bylaws require 10 days’ notice) in the school library.

ADDED 11:32 AM FRIDAY: A parent has forwarded a message from Gatewood principal Connie Aleman, who says the district has reached this decision and notified her of it:

Unless a teacher volunteers by October 7, the least senior teacher at Gatewood will be transferred to Fairmount Park. She/he is expected to report to duty at Fairmount Park on Friday October 10th. Gatewood’s four first grade classrooms will be consolidated into three and students will begin learning in that configuration on Monday October 13. This decision is based upon the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which is a contract agreed upon by both the district and the teachers’ union. It is also based on the Weighted Staffing Standards, which are established by the Seattle School District.

If we want to keep Gatewood’s staffing and class configurations as they are now, the district will allow us to raise the money to pay for a full time certified teaching position. Unfortunately, we must raise the money to fund that 1.0 FTE by October 8th. If it is not possible to raise the money by then, we can continue efforts to raise the money but the reduction in a teacher will occur October 10th and we will have to hire a different teacher when the money is raised.

If a specific fundraising campaign is under way, we hope to receive details so we can publish a new story about it – editor@westseattleblog.com – thanks!

108 Replies to "West Seattle schools: Fairmount Park, Gatewood teacher swap sparks parent concern"

  • flimflam October 2, 2014 (4:56 pm)

    i do not have children, so perhaps i don’t fully understand how this works, but it seems like i often read about the great length that parents go to get there child into school X or the issues surrounding the boundaries, etc.

    .
    my point is that it seems odd that a particular school wouldn’t know the number of students planning to attend.

  • OC October 2, 2014 (5:05 pm)

    I would like to know why the enrollment cut off can’t be in July or August. It seems like such a simple fix. Instead the school year starts out a mess every year. Teachers that don’t know they will have a job until a day before school starts? Teachers having to be sent to another school and disrupting learning for so many students. Is this a good use of money, time and energy?

  • goodgraces October 2, 2014 (5:06 pm)

    My kids are not at Gatewood or Fairmount Park, but I know the “the no-longer-needed-in-first-grade Gatewood teacher” personally. I have witnessed firsthand how this individual has put heart and soul into their classroom over the last 6–7 weeks. The work that they’ve already done with students in the class has been tremendous.

    It would be beyond ridiculous to require that this person suddenly start teaching Fourth grade, which they’re not experienced with, because the school’s number estimates are off. Who would “win” in this scenario — certainly not this wise and experienced teacher, not to mention each and every student in this classroom who will have to be integrated into new settings. Something is definitely rotten in the state of Denmark if this is the kind of thing that goes on so that the district can balance its spreadsheets.

  • JanS October 2, 2014 (5:06 pm)

    so, someone correct me on this..but basically I’m hearing Gatewood parents wanting to keep a teacher who is not needed there, because…think of the kids (who handle change better than adults, mostly), and now SPS would have to hire (at a cost) a teacher for Fairmount, which is short handed? Is that what I’m hearing?

  • Anonymous October 2, 2014 (5:08 pm)

    As a parent of a kid who thrives on structure, the thought of her being ripped out of her current class set up after a month and having to adjust all over again, makes me appalled. Seems like when school started, the classes were set and they knew how many kids were in each location. Right? So how is this suddenly coming up and requiring changes now?? I think the district needs to find money to budget for any extra teachers at Fairmont (that are now needed due to the district’s own poor planning) and not rip one out of the hands of Gatewood (where things are going just fine). West Seattle thrives on working together as a community but this is pitting schools against each other which is unnecessary and unfair.

  • Not Sitting Down October 2, 2014 (5:19 pm)

    It’s great that the people who are teaching my children to count fail a simple counting exercise, and my children pay the price. We entered into the public school process with a lot of apprehension, but that was immediately erased when our son’s K year was terrific. Now I know why parents of any child older than 9 has written off the district. It’s because of this boloney. They fumble, we pay. Seems to be a theme that loops on itself too frequently to instill me with trust in their leadership.

  • Debbie H October 2, 2014 (5:22 pm)

    “that 20 Fairmount first-graders will be going to new classrooms after a month” — I think you meant 20 Gatewood first graders!!

  • Not Sitting Down October 2, 2014 (5:31 pm)

    Remember a couple years ago when they threatened to close a bunch of schools? Since then, they’ve opened a few, closed a few for remodeling, and shuffled students around in a ham-handed effort to cover their incompetence.
    .
    Ridiculous. Seattle is an affluent city, we should be the example that rundown cities aspire to. Instead, our school officials stink at counting and calendars.

  • zark00 October 2, 2014 (5:52 pm)

    I really hope they don’t rip a GW teacher away from his/her class. That would be a disservice to GW kids, parents and staff.
    What’s the class size at FP that’s triggering this? Better not be under 27, LE has 27 kid strong classrooms now after the recent shake up.

    • WSB October 2, 2014 (5:53 pm)

      Thanks, Debbie, sorry, fixed!

  • Cãrlãinthãbãrrã October 2, 2014 (6:05 pm)

    As a parent of 3 sps goers, I’m not always happy with the way things are dealt with…but this isn’t about “me”, put your kids in private school and you will have no gripes!(sarcasm)

  • Not Sitting Down October 2, 2014 (6:32 pm)

    @JanS So, correct me on this… You’re criticizing parents concerned with mistakes and subsequent decisions that have immediate negative impact on their kids because you think that inaccurate bean counters in the school district should somehow not suffer or otherwise accommodate the consequences of mistaking simple integer math? And you don’t have kids or any other skin in this game? Is that what I’m hearing?

  • Unimpressed October 2, 2014 (6:45 pm)

    Gatewood is one of only two schools in the district to have not one, but two Behavioral Disorder programs as well as an ESL program. They are committed to full inclusion so those kids are in regular classrooms throughout our school.

    Also, the numbers for each school year are projected back in March. The staff at Gatewood decided collaboratively to provide lower ratios in first grade believing that it is a critical developmental age where small class sizes are crucial. (As a parent at Gatewood, I wholeheartedly agree.)

    Gatewood lost enrollment after school started when already enrolled students were pulled up on waitlists at other schools, including Fairmount Park thereby lowered our FTEs and raising theirs.

  • melissa October 2, 2014 (7:05 pm)

    Seems to me that this is the district’s screw-up and that the kids shouldn’t have to adjust to a new teacher a month into school. If they need a new teacher at Fairmount, add one, but don’t privilege those kids over the Gatewood kids. And I say this as a parent who has kids at neither of those schools.

    The District sucks at counting. They closed Fairmount because we supposedly didn’t need it just a few years ago. Imagine what it cost taxpayers to re-open the school! Compared to that, the cost of one teacher is a wee drop in the bucket. Maybe they should can the person who did the projections and use that person’s pay for the teacher.

  • Ferryboat October 2, 2014 (7:21 pm)

    Schools do have classes set usually before school ends in June, however during the summer families move away and new families move to the neighborhood (or a week or two into the year). Very often families show up the day school begins to register their kids. I know this seems crazy to many of you put there, but this is how some families work. Thus, we have either very full or classes with low numbers every year. Unfortunately, the student count is not until October 1 and then the shifts begin. My school has low numbers in grades K-4 right now so we may be looking at at creating some split classrooms and moving some teachers to other buildings. This is just how it is…I’m not saying I think it’s right, but until funding changes this is what we deal with. School districts have to deal with budgets as well.

  • Concerned Parent October 2, 2014 (7:24 pm)

    Similar to one of the previous posters, I know the fourth grade teacher who would be displaced in this situation. My child had this teacher for her first two years of teaching; she is teamed with a veteran teacher going on their third year. The partnership is amazing. We want this person to continue her trajectory of growth in a place where she, as well as the children she instructs, are all thriving.

  • mamikaze October 2, 2014 (7:31 pm)

    Why all the bias towards Gatewood? There is a chance that these two teachers may lose their jobs due to low enrollment. Choice request moves begin soon. Gatewood could drop even more. Fairmount is packed. Move the teachers. Let them keep their jobs. It’s not fair for FP classes to be over contract capacity. This seems to be a good option for a district that cannot afford to hire more faculty.

  • AIDM October 2, 2014 (7:35 pm)

    “In order to be fiscally responsible and assure our funding was being used where the greatest student need existed” should have read “We totally disregarded children’s need for stability just as they were feeling secure getting to know their new teacher and classmates, and chose to instead save $40,000.”
    Or perhaps they should have stated “Despite talented, hard working teachers within SPS, the administration continues to be incapable of competently performing their jobs. As such we would like to report another major screw up that we are not willing to fix in a responsible manner!”

  • KM October 2, 2014 (7:39 pm)

    Not Sitting Down-

    I’m not sure how you can be certain JanS doesn’t have “skin in this game” if she has a different take than you may. Not all parents believe in the same solution in regards to their child’s education.

    There’s a lot of emotion when it comes to issues like this, and I can imagine several parents at both schools have strong feelings about how this should be solved. Maybe it’s best to be solved by the impartial–but I’m not sure that’s an option. Quite the headache to be faced with, but I don’t think anyone will be permanently scarred in the process.

  • Shauna October 2, 2014 (7:40 pm)

    The Gatewood PTA has two choices; fork out the money to buy back our own teacher or disrupt the entire 1st grade and 2/3rd of the 4th grade. If we don’t buy back our teacher, two 4th grade classes (team teaching) will end up with 1st grade teacher 30 days into the school year and, as others have pointed out, 20 1st graders will be dispersed amongst the remaining three 1st grade classes. I am so tired of bailing out innocent students and teachers from the school district’s stupidity through box tops clippings, cookie dough sales and auctions. Closing schools a couple years ago was either a result of the school board lying or stupidly hiring the dumbest statisticians ever. Gatewood went from 250 students to 460 in two years. The new assigned school policy has created today’s disruption. I strongly believe that it’s my civic duty to advocate for public education. But darn it, I’m tired of it being a fight against our elected officials and I’m tired of counting box tops.

  • Bugsy momma October 2, 2014 (7:57 pm)

    This problem is the district’s fault for not being able to count a) when they closed FP in the first place and b) now that they have re-opened FP.

    Why is it these kinds of things don’t happen in other school districts? I’ve taught in two big city districts, and I’ve never heard of something like this. You simply do not move students and teachers one month into the school year. I am new here, have a kid in kinder at GW, and am just starting to see why everyone in Seattle complains about the district.

    SPS’ budget is in the $600 million range. One teacher’s salary is budget dust. Fix it, SPS.

    I teach my kid: you make a problem, you fix it.

    What about SPS?

  • Sandal41 October 2, 2014 (8:27 pm)

    Not Sitting Down – if JanS owns a house she has a ton of skin in the game – skin = Real Estate Taxes

  • Unimpressed October 2, 2014 (8:31 pm)

    @mamakazie
    I don’t think it can be as simple as that. Why is FP over-enrolled? Is it because kids actually scheduled to go to that neighborhood school are too numerous, or is it because they took more kids off the waitlist than they had space for?
    I don’t actually know the answer to that question … But I’d like to.

  • Jet City Mama October 2, 2014 (8:38 pm)

    Actually, Debbie H. and WSB, Fairmount Park will also have 20+ students moving to a new classroom this month when the new teacher is hired (whether or not that teacher comes from Gatewood). It will be a disruption for these kids and their families, but will alleviate pressure in classrooms that are over the contractual limit. For example, my son’s first-grade class at FPE has 29 students.

  • Kadoo October 2, 2014 (8:38 pm)

    Kids are much more flexible than parents. Both my youngest son and I experienced a change in first-grade teachers and we managed just fine. The school district bases these decisions on the October 1 count so that’s why this is happening now. It’s not a perfect world out there but this too shall pass.

  • Nbc October 2, 2014 (8:47 pm)

    Fairmont’s ‘overenrollment’ was not some magical surprise. They accepted people off of their wait list–and outside of the neighborhood boundaries–after the school year had started. Someone along the way allowed Fairmont to overenroll and now Gatewood is being asked to sacrifice for that bad planning. The district screwed up, plain and simple.

  • MonsterBabyMama October 2, 2014 (8:49 pm)

    I agree with Bugsy momma’s comment!

  • Paul October 2, 2014 (8:50 pm)

    We personal support the teachers and students in our schools. This is done with love, labor and our money.

    Enough of the nice stuff. 30 days into a current school year Seattle School pulls this CRAP. Please pulls this out of their poorly planned school year,

    The schools district is going to loose some highly motivated parents and students. I have watched the teachers create a class room out a temp portable. A portable the that has no water, bathrooms and is to far from the main building for the students to make it to the bathroom. The teachers have created a impressive team environment. Our family and friends have personally invested into these class rooms at Gatewood. We have taken our time and money to make up for the lack Seattle Schools districts managers.

    I find it hard to believe that the Seattle School district is willing to disrupt one schools success because they missed counted the number of first grade students at another school. My suggestion would be to add another teacher at suck it up.

    Who is the elected school manager who is accountable for this decision? Please post a name and contact information here so this energy will not be wasted on a website.

    Seattle School District please understand your little shuffle effects a lot more than than moving 3 teachers and 18 students. Please stop messing with our community, we can restructure the schools and classes in the summer. Let’s get on with the school year and teach the students you have.

  • jtd October 2, 2014 (9:02 pm)

    Great conversation here, but let’s also voice our concerns to the decision makers: Executive Director of Schools – West Seattle Region, Israel Vela: isvela@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0396; District 6 Seattle School Board rep, Martha “Marty” McLaren: martha.mclaren@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0040; District Ombudsman, Ronald I. McGlone: ombudsman@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0529; Superintendent, Dr. Larry Nyland: superintendent@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0180.

  • Wsparent October 2, 2014 (9:06 pm)

    SPS should have the best interest of the children in mind. They screwed up. They should pay for a new hire at FP and leave GW teachers where they are. One month into a 10month school year is too late to rearrange several classrooms in one school (3 or 4 first grades, and two 4th grades impacted?plus GW has 2Emotional behavior disorder programs– I bet those kids don’t deal with change well either.) I seriously think WS should advocate for breaking away from SPS and forming our own district.

  • A October 2, 2014 (9:07 pm)

    Ah, I’m so happy we left SPS. We spent a few miserable years at GW. It’s funny that lots of the people I meet in our new neighborhood have come from Seattle also. Everyone is trying to get the hell away from SPS.

  • Heidi A October 2, 2014 (9:22 pm)

    SPS said “fiscally responsible” – well played, SPS, well played- I nearly died of laughter, except it’s not funny that this district has never been fiscally responsible and now uses that to cover their own beauracratic asses at the expense of the impact it will have on teachers and students at two schools. The result is that the first trimester is a complete loss, that’s huge at the elementary school.

    A single teacher’s salary (40k) is nothing in the context of the annual budget. How about we fire any one of the bears rats making six figures that own this mistake. The money is there, don’t accept the simplistic BS cover.

    As for those saying, well they do this October 1, so that’s how it goes. NO. Just becauses something has been done this way forever doesn’t make it the right way. Somehow, other districts of similar size manage to do this every year all across the country.

    @JanS – what you are hearing is outrage from parents who have watched their kids go without basic supplies and be treated as inconsequential. Until now, we could at least rely on the stability of good teachers, now they’re pulling that rug out from under us too???

    We’re tired, they wear us down every year, but hear we go again.
    SO ANGRY (and my kids aren’t even at theses schools)

  • Trickycoolj October 2, 2014 (9:23 pm)

    Can’t they make a 1st-2nd split and a 3rd-4th or 4th-5th split to even things out? That’s how my elementary dealt with over crowding. I spent time in both a 1-2 (in a converted hallway space with temporary cubicle walls) and 2 years in a 3-4 split. Or were split grades just a 1990s thing?

  • Unimpressed October 2, 2014 (9:34 pm)

    @jetcitymama
    I called FP today to ask numbers and was told their kindergarten classes are all under 24 and their two first grade classes are at 23/24? Is this not correct? I was told they have one1st/2nd split that currently has 28?

  • FP kudos October 2, 2014 (9:35 pm)

    My kid’s class at Fairmount Park…34! 34 kids in a 4/5 split! I appreciate the sentiment for GW, but FP is NOT the problem

  • GatorMom October 2, 2014 (9:37 pm)

    As the parent of a first grader who would be directly affected by this decision, I will not accept that this is a done deal. Our community at Gatewood is strong and involved. We have worked hard to build these relationships with parents, teachers, and students. It is hard to not to let the emotions take over after sitting in a room full of very concerned parents as well as teachers who care about our school.
    It is an important point to remind the School Board and the District that Gatewood is committed to full inclusion and is one of the only schools district wide that has 2 EBD programs. Yes, we have smaller class sizes…for right now, however, this is a crucial developmental age and small class sizes allows for the best possible learning environment.
    Perhaps the District and SPS would consider allowing FP to hire their own teacher without impacting the staffing levels at Gatewood.
    Please don’t let the SPS and District fail us yet again.

  • JanS October 2, 2014 (9:52 pm)

    @notsitting down…I asked a question. I didn’t ask for sarcasm. I am 67 so my child is grown. When she enter the public school system in 3rd grade we lived just a half block from Charlestown SW on 54th. I figured Schmitz Park was in her future. Not so…in their infinite wisdom they put her in Gatewood that was being housed at Genesee school, with probably the most ineffective teacher that ever walked this earth. When I tried to get her moved to a decent school (SP) so she could get educated, I was told flatly “no”. I tested her for AP, and got into Lafayette the next year. Do not tell me I have “no skin” in this game. We ALL have skin in this game…these kids are our future. So, tell me…what should Fairmount Park do to get the teacher they need? It’s OK to disrupt the kids there but not at Gatewood? You don’t mind that SPS would have to probably spend more money getting another teacher? I’m just asking questions…but none of the Gatewood parents are really answering them. If they want to keep their teachers, what should be done to fix this?

  • JanS October 2, 2014 (9:58 pm)

    @jtd…excellent idea….parents should be contacting all those people..emails, phone calls, letters. It feels good to complain on here, but follow the money…go to the power. Ms McLaren wants to work closely with this area…let her earn her money, and work to get it all straightened out.

  • Bugsy momma October 2, 2014 (9:59 pm)

    I would like to highlight an issue that has been raised by others: these two schools (FP & GW) are 1.2 miles apart. When the district allowed FP to “over enroll” they created the under-enrollment problem at GW. They took families off the wait list and let them into FP and now GW families & students in two grades will experience a major disruption?

    Duh. Where did the district think the families on the wait list were going to come from?

    Enrollment goes up at one school, and down at another. The two schools are 1.2 miles apart.

    No one could have predicted this? Come on.

    Again, SPS, you made the mess, so fix it by hiring another teacher for FP.

  • Sam U. October 2, 2014 (10:06 pm)

    We have to be very careful about pitting Gatewood vs. Fairmont Park. We are all in this together, and we all want the best for our kids and our district. Each school is facing its own issue: Fairmont Park needs another teacher for their first grade. Gatewood is almost a month in to the school year…a month of 6-year-old kids learning to trust a new teacher; a month of parents building relationships with their kids’ new teachers in 1st and 4th grades; a month of teachers creating culture in their classrooms. Let’s work together to find a solution that works for both schools!

  • Lisha Jacoy October 2, 2014 (10:08 pm)

    Unimpressed – my children are at FP in first grade and there are 28 children in their class and that is not a 1/2 split.

  • lp3 October 2, 2014 (10:09 pm)

    I can tell from other comments who the Gatewood 4th grade teacher is, and it really saddens me. She is 1/2 of an unbelievably talented, dedicated and exceptional teaching team, my kid had the best year of his school career in those portables. It is absolutely unfair to the kids, teachers, and Gatewood community at large for SPS to pull such a disruptive move this far into the year.

    This will adversely affect a wide swath of our school, the students and teachers of the entire 1st grade, 2/3 of the 4th grade, an additional group of student who walk to science in this classroom, and the Gatewood community at large will all feel the repercussions of this. Of course Fairmount will have to adjust to changes too, but clearly they will be benefitting from Gatewood’s huge loss and the mind-blowingly poor planning of SPS. It’s just really sad and stupid and most likely could have been avoided. I could say so much more about the district and their consistently detrimental decisions… I just really hope this can be averted somehow. I’ll do whatever I can!

  • Another FP parent October 2, 2014 (10:13 pm)

    To clarify, the problem at FP isn’t in the lower grades- although every general ed class 1-5 is over contractual limits. The 4th and 4th/5th grade classes have 30+. We need a 4th grade teacher, but it will affect 24+ students in our school (grades 1-5) who will have to shift to create the new class. Not ideal for our school either.

    Yes, the waitlist was moving until September 30th, but also we had many neighborhood students choose to move into the school after the school year had started, from both public and private schools.

    I personally feel like our administration has been very thoughtful and pragmatic about decision making. As much as they can with the mess the district gives.

    Obviously FP didn’t ask to have another school’s teacher and I am sorry to hear that more students will be affected by the districts poor planning.

  • NotMe October 2, 2014 (10:15 pm)

    All you parents upset that someone with no kids in a seattle school actually has an opinion should think about what you say. We kidless people pay taxes that get spent on your kids. In fact, we pay more because we don’t have your deductions. So there.

  • Heidi A October 2, 2014 (10:16 pm)

    GaterMom – Don’t accept that it’s a done deal! The SPS M.O. is to announce a plan, see who squeaks the most and then come up with something totally different. At one point the plan was to close Alki, but they later closed Fairmount Park instead. Then there was the proposal to close Arbor Heights to place Pathfinder there, but they closed Cooper and put Pathfinder at Cooper.

    SPS relies on complacency and populations without the political capital to object. Those who have the privilege and resources to go toe to toe on every freakin’ fiasco are the only ones that get the breadcrumbs SPS is handing out from the glass tower while wringing their hands about being fiscally responsible. Anyone remember Pottergate or read the state auditor’s reports on the continuing lack of financial controls?

    @FP Kudos – I don’t believe anyone is saying FP is the problem, as many have mentioned we see that it effects both schools. That’s another SPS M.O. – pit school communities against each other so we can’t band together. Don’t fall for it.

  • Another FP parent October 2, 2014 (10:20 pm)

    Trickycoolj- I can’t speak about Gatewood, but Fairmount has split grade classes for every grade except Kindergarten and sometimes two per grade! (i.e. a 2/3 and a 3/4)

    Unimpressed- We have one 1st grade with 28/29, one 1/2 split with 28 one 1st grade APP with 26, a 1/2 APP split with 24 total. Either way, like I said our problem is the upper grades. 34 in a 4th/5th grade class! A a couple others over 30.

    • WSB October 2, 2014 (10:26 pm)

      Jan – FYI, you mentioned that Marty McLaren should work to “earn her money” … there is no money; school board members are unpaid. That is not to excuse or explain anything, as they choose to run and choose to serve, but I just wanted to clarify that for anyone else who didn’t know. Also, thanks to JTD for looking up all the contacts; I am adding the link to her/his comment to the end of the story, but in the short run, direct link (if you ever need the direct link to any WSB comment, right-click on the # sign):
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      https://westseattleblog.com/2014/10/west-seattle-schools-fairmount-park-gatewood-teacher-swap-sparks-parent-concern/#comment-1523910

  • Unimpressed October 2, 2014 (10:35 pm)

    @another FP parent
    what are the “contractual limits” for our district ? Can u clarify? I’m just curious what those numbers are and are they different per grade level?

  • Another FP Parent October 2, 2014 (11:15 pm)

    26 for grades K-3, 28 for 4th/5th and 32 for 6th grade and up.

  • Playground Mama October 2, 2014 (11:16 pm)

    All this in fighting. Let’s hug. Group hug everyone. We will figure this out.

  • goodgraces October 2, 2014 (11:32 pm)

    @Unimpressed: As far as I can tell, “contractual limits” are mostly b.s. — my WSHS freshman has a class in which the teacher admitted to being 15 students over his “contractual limit.” He’ll get a (teeny tiny, so-not-worth-it) bonus because of this, but it’s not like district law enforcement officers are going to swoop in and correct the issue. There are end-runs around “contractual limits” going on left and right in schools throughout the district.

    @Nbc: You are spot-on. This isn’t some big “uh-oh, we miscounted” situation. SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE in the district knew that FP was allowing in more kids off the waitlist than they had space for! Now who knows whether they considered the likely certainty that these admitted kids would be vacating other (nearby!) schools and thereby threatening those schools’ budgets . . . but they should have! That’s one of the whole points of a DISTRICT, so they can have big pictures in mind, right?

    Everyone is aware that the more students a school has, the more money the district gives it, yes? I’d like a full transparency hearing on the exact mechanisms by which the brand-new, high-profile, hoping-desperately-to-succeed FB was given the “green light” to keep adding students (and therefore adding to its budget), despite it being close to or over “contractual limits” in some classrooms.

    Lots of folks here talking about the district’s ineptitude when it comes to counting, projecting students, etc. That may well be the case, but there is often a fine line between incompetence and misconduct. Why aren’t the students who were “allowed in” off the wait list being told, “Oops, we made a mistake, we don’t actually have room for you??” After all, these were kids on the wait lists, not kids who were already enrolled at the start of the year — not to mention teachers who were already hired at the start of the year (whose jobs are now in jeopardy!). Why aren’t the wait list kids being sent back to their original, assigned schools, as opposed to disrupting kids who had nothing to do with any of this to begin with?

  • Another FP Parent October 2, 2014 (11:49 pm)

    The school’s themselves don’t let anyone in off the waitlist. That is all handled at the district level. It seems like a lot of speculation about the FP waitlist…are any of these statements based on fact or personal knowledge? Here are some facts: As a neighborhood school, FP has to accept the students who live in the attendance area. Because it borders GW, many students who are now assigned to FP previously attended or would have attended GW. Students who had already started at Gatewood had the option to stay there (grandfathered in) or to switch to the new neighborhood school. They had until 9/30 to make this choice. No waitlist involved! So yes some students may have started at Gatewood and then moved to FP after school began, but don’t assume they were all waitlisted.

  • pjmanley October 3, 2014 (12:07 am)

    In all my years in SPS, I’ve never had the peace of mind people apparently enjoyed at GW, but look folks, it will be fine. Teachers leave mid-year all the time. Some have babies, some get cancer, some have strokes, some have surgeries that go bad, some have heart attacks – one of my kid’s best teachers did. It happens.

    I could write a war & peace-like book on the dysfunction within SPS administration, but ask anyone about their local school, and 80 to 90% will say it’s fine.

    Read what FerryBoat said above and be realistic. A public school system growing by 1500+ kids a year cannot possibly know the accurate enrollment in each school at the prior year’s end, nor in mid-summer. They only know the pre-regs & hold-overs, and every school has kids and families show up out of the blue in August, or even during the first couple weeks of school. It’s a fact in a public school system, especially one in a fast growing city like Seattle.

    @A: Glad you landed wherever you are, Shoreline maybe? Bellevue? But as bad as the perception of SPS is by some, it’s growing by thousands each year right now, and most neighborhood schools are well-supported, if not loved, by their communities since the return to neighborhood schools.

    I’m not making light of the passions and emotional trauma of having a wrecking ball slam into people’s expectations on 10/1 of each year. It sucks, but the public system has to take the kids or find a place for them nearby. It can’t say “no more room at the inn.” If the numbers justify a lateral transfer to a neighboring school, it has to happen, unless an exception is granted like paying for it yourselves.

    I despise the paternalism, condescension and guilt-tripping that gets thrown at people who protest seemingly dumb decisions that cost them amenities, personnel, privileges, or special aspects of their school. But be careful, GW folk, or you’ll be called selfish, elitist, or greedy before you know it, mostly by people in other parts of town, just for trying to keep what you’ve fought for and built.

    It’s safe to say that many of us have been through much of the same, or worse, and we stay and fight the good fight, in support of and in solidarity with the great teachers and staff who always manage to outshine the stuffed shirts and bad apples we must also endure in the system.

    Whomever said the statistician (demographer) stank was right. Until the 2009 closures blew up in SPS’s face, the district’s and the city’s demographers (like the ones who count newborns in neighborhoods), never talked. They do now, of course.

  • goodgraces October 3, 2014 (12:12 am)

    @Another FP Parent wrote: “The school’s themselves don’t let anyone in off the waitlist. That is all handled at the district level.”

    That is how it’s ‘supposed’ to happen (and what schools tell folks), but that is unfortunately not the reality. It is much more nuanced, subject to the effect of school administrators with greater sway and savvy than others, and, most sadly, random dumb luck.

    I know for a fact that there are openings in my child’s elementary school in certain classes. One family on the wait list was told, “Yes! We do have room for your child.” The school told the district that they had openings, but the district *never informed the parents that they were accepted.* And now that it’s past Oct. 1, it’s too late.

    Rules are bent and broken all the time in this district; there are few if any ways for public citizens to “track” how and why things happen the way they do with regard to decisions about individual students’ school- and classroom-assignments, etc. You get different answers from different people on different days. A great deal of effort seems to have gone into making issues like this as opaque as possible for anyone unless (and sometimes even when) a lawsuit is threatened or commenced.

  • Rope October 3, 2014 (5:56 am)

    Current research indicates that students lose two months of academic progress when they move during a school year.

  • bugsy momma October 3, 2014 (6:18 am)

    As a Gatewood parent, I want to be clear: I am not angry about anything that FP did. I don’t see any of the commenters saying that teachers or parents or the administration did anything wrong. If the classes there were allowed (by the district) to get too big there, that stinks.

    I am mad at the district. Period.

    All of this late September churn was allowed by them. They created the problem. There was lots of talk about people getting into FP off the wait list. When the district is not transparent and is unable to make accurate counts and projections, people get pissed.

    Gatewood parents and staff built strong community and goodwill and morale. Then something like this happens and all of that takes a huge hit and that is wrong!

    Again, no fingers are bring pointed at FP. Mine are pointed at SPS.

  • Robert October 3, 2014 (6:56 am)

    Gatewood is known as a school where emotionally and behaviorally challenged kids can have the support they need and thrive. By all reports, the first grade cohort this year has more than their share. To split a whole class up and give each of the remaining first grade teachers 6 or 7 more students this far into the process (and it IS far into the process — the first month of school is critical, especially in the early grades is when a lot of the classroom processes and management is established) would be incredibly hard for the remaining teachers and students. My son had similar challenges in first grade (he’s in third now), and I know this is a real issue.

    Additionally, Gatewood is known to have an especially strong fourth grade team, which has significantly added to the school’s reputation in recent years. To suddenly lose one of them and bring in a first grade teacher, who has never taught any grade higher than first, is an incredibly unfair challenge even for the best teachers, and risks damaging the school’s reputation.

    Finally, what this is doing to school morale should not be underestimated. Gatewood has a strong and supportive parent community, but it is this kind of thing that undermines that feeling. Surely the District can find a workable alternative that can demonstrate to everyone that all the slogans about “every student achieving” and “striving for excellence in every school” are not just slogans. We parents want to support the District in a difficult time for public education. But we need to know our voices are heard and that school communities are not presented with such big and sudden challenges without all the alternatives being explored first.

  • steve October 3, 2014 (9:04 am)

    I’m sorry for those involved in this disruption. At our first day of school, there was a long line of new students who apparently were signing in at last minute. Our class did not change much, but the one next to us had big changes. Stuff happens. I really don’t see how any of this is predictable. People move from somewhere else and they need to go to school. Class sizes change. I’m sorry it happened here, but it actually happens pretty often I think, yet people and kids adjust.

  • Yet another FP parent October 3, 2014 (9:06 am)

    Thanks Bugsy Momma! As a FP parent, I don’t want district decisions to come between our schools. I would encourage everyone (GW and FP and other parents) to contact the school district and board with your concerns. The shuffling of teachers and students after the start of school isn’t good for anyone.

  • Not Sitting Down October 3, 2014 (9:54 am)

    @HeidiA actually nailed it. This is a test, for both Gatewood and FP parents. When they threatened to close schools two years ago, they boned the silent school. My friends got really active for Arbor Heights, though much less than they thought they’d have to, and won.

    Please, GW/FP parents, or anyone who can empathize with kids and parents at either school, please phone the district. Don’t settle for redirection to the schools’ principals. Make sure those at the district know we’re blaming exactly who’s at fault, and that’s who should yield the solution that works for everyone.

  • zark00 October 3, 2014 (10:20 am)

    I have emailed Marty McLaren, Ron McGlone, Israel Vela, and Larry Nyland, I encourage everyone to do the same – send them a link to this post so they can read the comments themselves.

    This is not a nothing issue. This isn’t just “the typical Oct 1 churn” – this is flat out a mess.
    A mess that SPS created initially, and now has made far worse than it should have been.
    There is no mystery to how many kids are going to attend school, there is no GIANT influx of kids moving in and signing up on day 1 – that’s simply either a lie or misinformation from SPS. There are kids sure that move and show up day one – but they are not a huge impact to enrollment. This was completely predictable, completely manageable, and was shamefully botched by SPS planning. They are shaving every cent they can so that THEY look successful, they measure their success on budget alone – your kids education has ZERO bearing on whether an SPS staffer is considered successful – did they deny that $40K that FP NEEDS for a teacher? If so, that’s it – that’s the measure of SPS success.
    This isn’t GW vs FP, and it weird that many of you read that into this. I can hit FP with a rock, literally, from our house, but we’re in the GW boundary. It’s baffling, yes, but there wasn’t a giant drain on GW students from FP boundaries. FP’s high enrollment is because of the APP classes. WAY more students retested into APP, who were previously Spectrum or Gen Ed, when they had to open testing again for FP. Again, a complete botch from SPS. They planned so poorly in closing FP, then reopening it, that the timeline was compressed – they needed an out of schedule testing for APP, which created a gold rush of sorts on FP’s APP classes – like another poster said “DUH!” – it’s not rocket science, it’s not even remotely tricky, it’s common sense and SPS just stuck their head in the sand and expected FP’s principal to sort it all out – she’s apparently amazing, so SPS lucked out there, but they made a ridiculous mess of the entire process of opening a new school, retesting for APP, shuffling boundaries and students around, and all the rest.
    Had they simply planned further in advance, built in some buffer for more APP kids, and more kids in general, this wouldn’t be a huge issue.
    GW is a great school, FP is a great school, and they are great DESPITE SPS’s “efforts” not because of them.
    Lots of kids tested into APP, and went to Spectrum because there was no APP option last year in our part of W Sea – again – DUH – just DUH DUH DUH – how, SPS, can you NOT have known that the run on FP would be HUGE – I knew, every parent knew, the principal knew, every teacher knew, heck 1/2 the kids prob knew – but SPS? Completely in the dark?
    SPS likes to pretend these are super complicated budgetary issues none of us could ever hope possibly grasp. They’re not.
    It actually seems like SPS is actively working against students, schools, teachers and parents.

  • Trickycoolj October 3, 2014 (10:28 am)

    Just a perspective, I have been assigned to 4 different managers since January due to constant reorganization. Yes at 30 I can handle this better than a 6 year old, though sometimes I wonder if it’s the other way around. Kids are pretty resilient and make friends with who ever they sit next to. Adults, not so much. Unfortunately the way the business world is moving, this might also be a learning experience for kids in how to deal with unexpected change. With change comes mourning, we mourn for the loss of our previous normal before we can accept the new normal.

  • Serenity Now October 3, 2014 (10:33 am)

    There is no way for SPS to predict where parents will enroll their students, much less the 25 or so kindergartners that showed up at one school (that I know of) on the first day having never enrolled previously.

    Fairmount Park is not over-enrolled. They are serving the parents that requested their child attend there, and the school has the space to accommodate these kids. Teachers are going to follow enrollment. Enough parents chose to move their kids from Gatewood (and other schools) to Fairmount Park that it’s making a difference for all those schools, including Fairmount Park, where children will be shuffled around.

    I don’t want my kid moved from his classroom where he has connected with a fantastic teacher and is thriving. But his history and experience in school over the past 5 years tells me that, though it may be difficult at first, he will adjust to the new situation, and more quickly than most adults.

  • Bugsy momma October 3, 2014 (10:36 am)

    A huge amen to Zark00’s post!

    This was all so utterly avoidable. There was NOT a huge influx of families with kids moving into the FP neighborhood over the summer. Come on. This was just terrible planning, and GW should not have to pay the price for district incompetence. Period. So, let’s fight this, GW parents.

    Please, Gatewood parents that are upset about the potential disruption of all 1st & 4th grade classes, call & email the following people.

    This kind of disruption in October is terrible for student outcomes & teacher morale, and this is very much not a done deal. So please let your voice be heard, beyond the Blog that is.

    Executive Director of Schools – West Seattle Region, Israel Vela: isvela@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0396; District 6 Seattle School Board rep, Martha “Marty” McLaren: martha.mclaren@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0040; District Ombudsman, Ronald I. McGlone: ombudsman@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0529; Superintendent, Dr. Larry Nyland: superintendent@seattleschools.org or (206) 252-0180.

  • goodgraces October 3, 2014 (11:02 am)

    Posts with the following themes, while interesting, are not hitting the heart of the issue:

    1) Kids’ (or teachers’ or parents’) resiliency
    2) GW vs. FP communities

    The central point of outrage has to do with the DISTRICT’s ineptitude and the DISTRICT’s opacity and inconsistency with regard to wait lists, transferring schools, class sizes, school budgets, etc.

    Undue influence by squeaky-wheel administrators is also an issue, but that phenomenon is deeply entrenched in the private sector as well. So none of us should be surprised that it’s going on here (and being passed off as “mistakes”).

  • Julia October 3, 2014 (11:33 am)

    Just wait till your kids get to middle and high school! Classes literally held in hallways due to overcrowding, schedule changes and teacher reassignments making grad-required classes unavailable. I’ve never been so deliriously happy as the day my last child graduated from Seattle Public Schools. I felt like a hostage finally being released.

    • WSB October 3, 2014 (11:35 am)

      We’ve added an update to the story, an excerpt from the message Gatewood’s principal sent out about half an hour ago, as forwarded by a parent. If there is a specific fundraising campaign under way, please let us know – I’m expecting to publish a separate followup on where this all stands, sometime this afternoon, if that type of information is available – TR (editor@westseattleblog.com)

  • Chris October 3, 2014 (12:17 pm)

    My daughter is in one of the 1st grade classes affected at Gatewood. We were so happy that this year her class had only 19-20 students in it, as she really needs the extra attention from the teacher as she learns to read. Now, if they split the students up between 3 teachers instead of 4, she looking at a class size of 25-26. I’m not worried about her handling the transition, I’m worried about classes with too many kids in them and teachers only being able to maintain order instead of effectively teach.
    SPS never fails to miss an opportunity to make the wrong decision. Don’t take away what has already been put in place, add a new teacher to the mix and FP and leave GW alone.

  • WestSeattleite October 3, 2014 (12:24 pm)

    Kids do and will adapt much better than you think… on both sides (FP and Gatewood). I think the focus needs to shift to the kid’s education, which will be better off with class sizes within standard, rather than the belief that kid’s feelings will be hurt. Guess what, their feelings will be hurt in life. That’s almost a guarantee.
    I wonder what would Gatewood parents think if their kids classes were over-populated? Would that be ok?

  • A October 3, 2014 (12:52 pm)

    Zark you are totally off. There were quite a few kids that left GW and moved to FP. The same happened when STEM opened. They jumped ship quickly. I’m happy you like GW but we thought it was a terrible school. We sold our house and headed east. We are SO much happier. Good luck to everyone in SPS.

  • Heidi A October 3, 2014 (12:52 pm)

    My email to the powers that be – please write and tell them what you think!
    ***
    I am a parent of two children at K-5 STEM, but today I write in support of Gatewood Elementary School. I am deeply troubled by the news that Gatewood will lose a teacher at this point in the school year because Seattle Public Schools failed to adequately manage the enrollment process. I am clearly not alone in my strong reaction to this news. https://westseattleblog.com/2014/10/west-seattle-schools-fairmount-park-gatewood-teacher-swap-sparks-parent-concern/

    I understand the need to manage a budget and balance teacher ratios in an equitable manner consistent with the collective bargaining agreement. But my issue is with the timing of this decision and the resulting disruption the timing has on teaching and learning. I would have no issue if SPS had made the decision to move a teacher before the school year. But to do so at this point is just not right.

    Last night I attended K-5 STEM’s curriculum night. Our teachers detailed the long, hard hours they have put in, as all teachers do at the start of every school year at every school, establishing classroom norms, expectations, getting to know their students, assessing their abilities in all subjects, and providing remediation for lessons lost over the summer. This takes time, but is the necessary foundation for a successful school year. I am deeply saddened to know that it will all be for nothing for a large group of students at Gatewood. They and their teachers have to start over. Those students don’t have a fair shot at a successful school because their real learning won’t begin for at least another month as teachers will have to reset classroom norms, expectations, get to know their students, and do assessments. The first trimester is lost for these students. Does anyone in central administration or on the Board understand what this truly means?

    It also cannot go without saying that Gatewood is a diverse school without the ability to raise the funds to keep the teacher on short notice and has a large population of student with special needs who will disproportionality suffer the consequences of the disruption.

    Simply put, this isn’t right. There is money in the district to address the situation at Fairmount Park. Find the money and solve this in a way that does not put children at risk of falling behind.

  • lp3 October 3, 2014 (1:20 pm)

    No one has said that Fairmount Park shouldn’t get the teacher they need. They should, it just shouldn’t be at the expense of another school this far into the year. And no one is saying that FP at fault for what is happening. THE DISTRICT is. This could have been avoided, that’s what is so sad.

    To reduce this to being about “kid’s hurt feelings” or resilience is really not understanding the heart of the issue which is chronic poor planning and on part of THE DISTRICT that unnecessarily causes damage to kids, teachers, and school communities. This could have been avoided. What parents want is for THE DISTRICT to address the best interests of the kids and teachers at BOTH schools.

    An extremely important point that should not get lost here is that Gatewood is a full-inclusion school. It is one of only two schools in the entire district that has programs for kids with Emotional & Behavioral Disorders, and it has TWO such programs. And it has an English Language Learners program as well. I shouldn’t have to point out that is not your average classroom makeup.

    I think that the district should hire a teacher for Fairmount Park in a way that does not disrupt the Gatewood community, and fewer children are forced to adapt to changes this far into the school year. Because it IS about the kids, right? At the very least Gatewood should be given more than a few days to attempt to raise funds to keep our teacher.

  • Bugsy momma October 3, 2014 (1:23 pm)

    I am wondering if anyone thinks the Seattle Times might be interested in this (the on-going saga) of mismanagement & inability to correctly project student enrollment #s at SPS and its impact on student learning & teacher morale?

    I am new to Seattle, but I have taught in other cities, and this just seems like such an avoidable mess!

  • Chill_Out October 3, 2014 (1:49 pm)

    I completely understand parents not being happy about their first graders transitioning to a new classroom and teacher after the first month. I’d urge you to express your concerns and seek the resolution that you think would most benefit your children and your school. That said, a lot of people posting here are honestly underestimating the challenges involved and making baseless accusations. The truth is that schools don’t know exactly how many students will end up being enrolled there, and that challenge was heightened with the opening of a new school (FP) that also enrolls students outside their “neighborhood” for APP/Spectrum. Early in the summer the best information available put the estimate of students at FP at about 200 students, and it ended up being close to 2x that. Adjustments in staffing/plans were constantly being made based on the best new information available. Finger-pointing at FP staff/administrators is incorrect. I personally know several teachers at FP and they all put in hundreds of unpaid hours and their own $$$ this summer to plan and prep for that school to open. I’m sure it was the same by the GW teachers and administrators. By all means make your voice heard, but, also, chill out a bit. There are many, many wonderful people within SPS who are incredibly dedicated to education.

  • Linda October 3, 2014 (2:04 pm)

    My son attended Fairmount Park for 2 weeks this year and I took him out. The vibe was not good to me, too many mishaps in 2 weeks, and a lack of feeling established and more of a feeling of “thrown together” and paranoia. With that said, the teachers all seem excellent as does the principle-good people doing the best with what they have. It seemed crowded to me and I didn’t like the combined grades in one classroom.Now back at Gatewood where we were last year and the feeling is confident, the vibe is solid, the teachers are proud of their school and show it. The halls are filled with excitement and music- the small class sizes are nice but I’m sure however this pans out Gatewood will handle it well and our kids will adjust, because they are at Gatewood, in a beautiful building with great people and great kids. The vibe is positive and the kids feel it!!! Go Gators! “Let’s make a new tomorrow, today!”

  • K8 October 3, 2014 (2:23 pm)

    Linda,

    So the FPE teachers and principle were excellent but felt thrown together and paranoid? I do not think that comes across the way you want it to.

    I am happy that you got to switch schools to find something that was right for you and your child, but know that people like you, who switched schools after the start of the year, were the major contributors to this mess.

  • Huh? October 3, 2014 (2:29 pm)

    Linda- I’m not really sure what your comment adds to the conversation. Glad you found a good fit with Gatewood, but why the need to bash FP? The first few weeks of any school (albeit a brand new one!!) can be rocky. The focus needs to be on finding a solution for ALL of the kids not just the ones at your preferred school.

  • Jissy October 3, 2014 (2:31 pm)

    Well this just absolutely confirms our decision to Homeschool–GW is our neighborhood assigned school & I had a 1st grader-thank goodness we’re not dealing with this mess. My daughter gets very attached to grown-ups in very short order, a situation like this could be devastating to most any age kid in Elem school.

  • FocusontheKids October 3, 2014 (2:38 pm)

    I’ll repeat OCC’s post (#2, above) because it bears repeating – a lot.

    WHY does SPS allow enrollment changes, throughout it’s entire system, ALL THRU SEPTEMBER?!!! What possible need does this meet? What possible reason is there to NOT hold the deadline sometime in August? Or, July? Why hold entire schools of children (and teachers/staff/ parents),and the budget/specialists/scheduling decisions that are driven by enrollment numbers, HOSTAGE to allowing these movements through the entire first month of school? This MESS was created by the District policy that allows parents to make enrollment decisions and waitlist moves all the way until the end of September. (So people, this means movement! What do we expect will happen with this allowance?) Whatever the reason(s), we need to ask SPS to make it explicit and transparent. Because they know we’re mad, but can rationalize their decision. What they need to know is, (as my read of the consistent concern for the children is in these posts) – it REALLY better be good reason(s), for the “solutions” to come at the (avoidable) expense of our children. Moving them around one month in is NOT the go-to solution. Leave the GW teacher; pay $40k to add one at FP, and fix your Enrollment/waitlist process.

    And, we do NOT pay School Board members.

  • parentaswell October 3, 2014 (3:07 pm)

    Try to relax…Look at your kids…see how they have adapted at every change in their life. See how they hold out their hand with perfect trust. Change happens every day. This tenacious grip will exhaust all. Relax…These beautiful children of ours will in fact be just fine through whatever changes come their way…remember, that is your job as a parent to teach them this. Be an example..show them YOU can get through this gracefully and with your integrity intact. Show them YOU will be o.k. with the changes in your life so they will know they can be too. There is no blame..there is no one to fault. This is simply life unfolding and our response to it. Try to relax and take a deep breath…EVERYONE will be fine. Truly.

  • Ugh October 3, 2014 (3:34 pm)

    Of course the kids will be fine and adapt. The point is that they shouldn’t have to. The District has plenty of money to hire another teacher to fit the expanding FP. The point is moving around a bunch of kids and teachers is going to set them back now. Yes, they will catch up. Yes, they will deal. But the district should not put them in that position. The district should not be putting GW families in the position of feeling they have to buy a teacher that the kids have already known and loved for a month. The district allowed FP to expand to the current size, thus the district should pony up to hire the teacher to make sure FP as well as GW are the best places they can be.

  • rope October 3, 2014 (3:49 pm)

    Gatewood staff were first informed about this staffing move on Wednesday, October 1st. The parent letter went home on October 2nd. The lack of timely communication from the District has created confusion and a sense of urgency. For staffing processes to run smoothly parents, and staff need to feel they have avenues to express themselves, and gather information. Unfortunately, parents and staff have had to create these avenues themselves. District staff, SEA, and the School Board have all absented themselves from the fallout of a faulty process. Staff who tried to facilitate communication with the community face disciplinary actions.

  • Susan October 3, 2014 (3:54 pm)

    As a Schmitz Park parent, I am appalled. This could happen to any of the elementary schools in Seattle.

    I would like to contribute to the fund to keep the 1st grade teacher at Gatewood. I would also like to call on all of the parents involved in any West Seattle PTA to do the same. With good crowd source funding, we can raise the money in time. All parents with kids in West Seattle schools should be standing together on this.

  • MomOf2 October 3, 2014 (4:37 pm)

    To Jan S, from 10/2: Adding a 4th first grade class to Gatewood was a deliberate and thoughtful decision. Thinking that re-distributing teachers and first graders at this point is a mistake. the 6 and 7 year olds are right in the middle of a critical timer period for developing self esteem, confidence, and a sense of security within themselves. To echo another blogger whole heartedly, the school district didn’t see this coming??? Does it not know how many children are enrolled in kindergarten in West Seattle and can then forecast what the needs are, avoiding up-routing 6/7 year olds, and wasting the past time and effort of the teachers involved?

  • Linda October 3, 2014 (4:39 pm)

    The combined effort of the principal and teachers was not in sync. Individually they are great. I know it’s new people in a new school but they lacked a togetherness and not everyone was on the same page. The vibe was unfriendly, kids getting on buses who are suppose to get picked up, parents asked to stay out of hallways..etc..and the memorial tree in the breezeway was removed, and there is alot of wasted outdoor space where there could be gardens for the kids. Did I mention 3 hours in the morning of class time without going outside? Ok, I’m sure it’s fine..I’m just sayin’

  • Linda October 3, 2014 (4:40 pm)

    I do agree..the kids will be fine and I have faith in seattle Public Schools as a whole.

  • Chill_Out October 3, 2014 (4:50 pm)

    How would Seattle Public Schools enforce an enrollment deadline of July or August? There will always be a certain number of children in a school’s attendance area who don’t enroll until later, and they cannot be turned away from enrolling in public school as a matter of constitutional right. It’s impossible to pinpoint exactly the number of children who will be attending public school in July or August. Also, I can only imagine the uproar of parents across SPS if the District told everyone that once school starts, no student can switch schools. Come on. As far as the timely communication, the SPS spokesperson stated that the district was in communication with principals regarding changes coming over the past several weeks, including this one. It’s possible that no action could officially take place until the Oct 1st count, in which case the letter to families on Oct 2nd isn’t exactly “untimely”. Also, $40K isn’t going to cover a FTE teaching position. Salary might be around $40k for an inexperienced teacher, but you’ve got to cover benefits, too.

  • SPS is a joke October 3, 2014 (6:28 pm)

    The asinine policies of SPS created this mess and the Superintendent and school board have shown that they do not deserve to be in their respective positions as they are either unwilling or incapable of correcting their harmful policies. It is common sense that allowing kids to move schools a month into the year is going to create chaos. This is not the norm for other districts. Unfortunately SPS continues to live up to its low reputation. Apparently we need to include an IQ test as part of the school board election process because this happens EVERY year and these jokers just can’t seem to put two and two together long enough to make meaningful fixes. Shame on the school district and the school board. I look forward to voting out the incumbents when the next election comes around.

  • SPS is a joke October 3, 2014 (7:19 pm)

    @Chill_Out The parents were notified one day after the count and then given until next Wednesday to raise funds to keep the teacher. If that’s not “untimely” then I suggest you pick up a dictionary because it doesn’t mean what you think it means. The school district may have been in contact with principals but not with parents. We’re not talking about a few kids moving who need to be accommodated after the school year begins, we’re talking about a flawed district POLICY that facilitates and encourages large numbers of students to move around A MONTH INTO SCHOOL which then necessitates staffing changes. It defies common sense. If FP needs a teacher then the school district can hire one instead of poaching from other schools.

  • enough already October 3, 2014 (7:47 pm)

    @SPS is a joke- If you really think SPS is a joke and are so acidic about it, just pull your kid(s) out and move to a private school..it is very easy, but very costly as well. We just pulled out of a private school and have come into Seattle Public Schools and couldn’t be happier. Put your money ( and LOTS of it) where your very unhappy mouth is

  • WSB October 3, 2014 (8:05 pm)

    Just a note, because our update story is still in progress, pushed back a bit because of breaking news – Gatewood plans what parents call a huge bake/lemonade sale tomorrow, starting at 10 am by California/Myrtle (just east of the school), as part of their short-window fundraising to save the teacher position. – TR

  • Chill_Out October 3, 2014 (8:11 pm)

    @SPS Is A Joke – You are making assumptions that simply aren’t true. First of all, there is no district policy that allows or encourages large numbers of students to change schools one month in. The reality is that people move to/within the city, switch from/to private schools, etc. The schools deal with unknowns, and as public schools they cannot lock enrollments. The district does what it can to encourage early registration and limit movement for special programs (APP, for example) as much as possible. The cause(s) of the situations at FP and GW are NOT that a bunch of 1st graders who enrolled at GW decided one month in to move to FP. That simply isn’t the case. Second, FP is not “poaching” the teacher from GW. Those of you pitting the schools against each other are seriously misunderstanding the situation. The GW PTA has been very supportive of the FP PTA while it gets going and I know for a fact that the FP PTA is helping to try to raise funds to keep the GW teacher at GW. IF enough money isn’t raised, it’s a reasonable solution to move a teacher from GW to FP. The alternative to that could be the teacher having to move to an elementary school outside of West Seattle, which wouldn’t be great for him/her if they live in WS, or possibly even lose their job. The conspiracy theories are just…crazy. Finally, if the count was on Oct 1st, the letter to staff the same day, and a letter to families on Oct 2nd, I simply don’t see an unreasonable delay in communication.

  • Melissa Westbrook October 3, 2014 (9:23 pm)

    “I am wondering if anyone thinks the Seattle Times might be interested in this (the on-going saga) of mismanagement & inability to correctly project student enrollment #s at SPS and its impact on student learning & teacher morale?”

    Doubtful. The Times’ education reporting is mostly Gates funded and Gates doesn’t care about these kinds of issues.

    “I am new to Seattle, but I have taught in other cities, and this just seems like such an avoidable mess!”

    So, there are two issues. Policy and reality.

    Do I think the policy could be addressed? Possibly but which policy are you talking about? Because the Board makes the high-level policies that the Superintendent creates procedures to enact. It’s probably the procedure that you are unhappy with. Here’s the problem, Superintendent Nyland, a good guy, is only an interim and may not want to change anything at this point.

    Reality. Someone pointed out – correctly – that students enroll in SPS right on the first day of school. They can try to project how many people come thru the door but FP was a new school and that may have been hard to know for certain. Remember, SPS has grown by 1,000 students a year for each of the last three years.

    I would gently echo what others have said with one caveat. Kids are resilient. Things happen and how you react to it, with your child, can make all the difference. It is highly unlikely the district will change their mind. That’s not their way.

    The caveat is that most of the comments seem to understand a basic fact about SPS: the schools do pretty well but the management of the district? Not so much. When we are looking for a new superintendent, this needs to be addressed.

    As for raising the money to keep the teacher, PTAs in our district pay for about 23 FTE. That’s a lot of pressure on parents to raise money, year in and year out, to keep those positions. (And the district is unlikely to pony up the money to keep this teacher. As a former PTA co-president, I’m not for pay for regular staff as the burden on fundraising is too great.) But bless every PTA who does this in defense of their school community.

    As for the question of whether the district has the dollars, yes and no. Clearly our district and every other one in the state is underfunded. Our Legislature doesn’t even fund our schools to the national average.

    But the district does have some dollars but it is only for projects they deem worthy. Like take Title One, capital and baseline funds for the Strategic Plan to send 5 staff on Councilman Burgess’ multi-city preschool junket earlier this year. The district moved $2.6M worth of rental/lease revenue to the General Fund. I can’t get any clear answer what they are doing with those dollars.

  • FP+GW MOM October 3, 2014 (9:25 pm)

    Chill_out you need to re-read the post from SPSis ajoke. They said the DISTRICT is poaching a teacher from GW to go to FP instead of allowing FP to hire one. Nobody is trying to pit the 2 schools against eachother. FP parents and PTA are entirely supportive of GW keeping their teacher. GW parents are entirely supportive of FP getting another teacher (there is a pool of eligible teachers from which to choose).

    Also, please read the letter from Principal Aleman posted here to the story this evening. The PTA cannot raise funds “officially” for anything because the district is requiring the offer to “fund” the GW teacher to be made by 10/7, 6 day deadline to fundraise and a week sooner than the earliest the PTA can meet to vote on using PTA funds to save the position. If the district had communicated that this might be the case, a PTA meeting could have at least been planned within the very tight constraints and PTA (ie. tax deductible) funds could have been used. As it is, this $$ being raised is private donation to a private fund, nothing to do with the “official” PTA due to PTA rules.

    Thanks SPS! (sarcasm)

    Sincerely,
    Parent with one kid at FP and one kid at GW who loves both schools!

  • Heidi A October 3, 2014 (9:28 pm)

    I’d like to know how some seem to know for a fact that the enrollment numbers are the result of people moving in and people showing up and, poor SPS admin couldn’t do I thing How do you know it wasn’t just complete mismanagement of the wait lists or just a failure to count correctly? Please share your source, inquiring minds want to know.

    Fact: SPS has a long history of being incompetent with enrollment projections and actual enrollment. Schools across the state seem to manage without the same problems. Let’s assume this was a sudden influx of people moving in. This happened when my family moved from Yakima to spokane when I was in 5th grade. There were about 12 of us who were told sorry, there’s no more room at the inn. So rather than shuffle around teachers and whole classrooms, the 12 of us got on a bus at our neighborhood school and went to another school about 2 miles away. Problem solved, no controversy, wasn’t a big deal to me since either school would have been new. And somehow, as if by magic, the spokane school district was able to figure that out before the school year started. Makes you wonder…

  • Rope October 3, 2014 (9:41 pm)

    This mess was created by inept management of a wait list. The function of a wait list is to help ensure the disruptions occurring at Fairmont Park and Gatewood are avoided. Opening the Fairmont Park wait list created overcrowded classrooms at that school, and is causing disruptions for students and staff at both Fairmont Park and Gatewood. This shouldn’t have been an unforseen consequence. The District’s unwillingness to address this situation creatively undermines their credibility. Enrollment projections encompass the entire school district. Certainly within a district as large as SPS the 1.25 student per class under enrollment at Gatewood can be accomodated. Unless the District totally blew enrollment estimates.

  • Rope October 3, 2014 (9:55 pm)

    The function of a wait list is to help avoid the disruptions to students and staff at Fairmont Park and Gatewood. Opening Fairmont Park’s wait list created overcrowded classrooms at that school, and is disrupting students and staff at two schools. This is inept management. Also, enrollment projections encompass the entire school district. Certainly a district as large as Seattle can accomodate the 1.25 student per classroom under enrollment at Gatewood. Unless enrollment projections were totally blown.

  • Arbor Heights neighbor October 3, 2014 (11:12 pm)

    Pjmanley! Couldn’t have said it any better!

  • phil dirt October 4, 2014 (7:20 am)

    If Seattle Public Schools were a business, they’d be out of business in no time. The left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing, and nobody really seems to care. Why should they? Administrators get paid regardless of how inefficiently they run things.

  • S October 4, 2014 (8:27 am)

    I think it is time to lawyer up. There has to be some type of legal steps that could be taken to prevent this from happening.

  • SPS is a joke October 4, 2014 (9:55 am)

    @Enough Already My kid was in private school the last two years so I’m familiar with it. Until this mess I was thrilled with the move to GW. School staff is amazing and as we can see so is the parent support. My problem is with the inept management who care more for their bottom line than our kids.

    @Chill_Out If there were no district policy that encourages children moving after school starts then this wouldn’t happen year after year and this conversation would never have happened.

    Agreed @Phil Dirt. If SPS were a business it would have hit the ground or fired management and restructured.

  • pjmanley October 4, 2014 (12:28 pm)

    Some of these comments are just not helpful. I understand the frustration, anger, and especially the fear. Fear of the unknown is what drives most of our anxiety and anger. But we can’t let it exert disproportionate control over our lives.

    Comparisons to businesses is apples to oranges. Businesses have voluntary relationships with their clients. Government, including public schools don’t. They have to take everybody. And therein lies the rub.

    Kids do show up all throughout September, which continued as recently as last week down at SPS. And we continue to grow, and Schmitz Park and Lafayette are both severely overcrowded, and Spectrum programs all over the district are being dismantled, making an option like APP at FP a huge attraction, etc., etc. Schools aren’t muffin tins. Some get 30+ per class, some get 16, and some have split classes, which we weren’t thrilled about T Marshall, at first, but which, under Julie B’s leadership, worked out great.

    You’ll get no argument that SPS is not run well. It isn’t. Not by a long-shot. Enrollment is just one area where competence is lacking.

    But you’ll get little sympathy for your plight over a tempest in a teapot, which, in a district of over 50k kids, all with their own problems and struggles, this may look like to say, the parents of the 7 year old girl in Harborview ICU, who got run over last week on her way home from school. Let’s keep things in perspective. Losing a teacher cannot compare to that.

    I never enjoyed the “there-there” attitude of patronizing officials about to throw another curve into my kids’ school life, yet again, but after a while in SPS, you learn that the best strategy is to toughen your kid up a bit, focus on their work, and teach them to deal with adversity, because it’s guaranteed to come down the pike from Central Admin every year. Expect and count on it.

    Continue to focus on your local schools and your kid’s classroom, and your child will thrive in SPS, despite Central Administration. Realize that your kid is lucky as heck to grow up in West Seattle, that you made a good choice to raise them here, that they are making life-long friends in school, that you and they will make great friends through all sorts of extra-curricular activity, and that there isn’t any seemingly endemic problem within your school that you can’t eliminate or mitigate through parental involvement and support.

    We’ve all said goodbye to great teachers and principals in our schools, often for dubious reasons, and the loss is palpable. But we’ve also absorbed those losses and moved forward just fine, time and time again. So this isn’t the end of the world for anyone’s kid, nor a reason to go to war.

    I also caution people against trashing the entire “public school system,” which is under constant attack by politicians, profit-seeking hedge fund managers, privatization interests, anti-union groups and sectors of the hi-tech industry that want to “computerize” our kids even more than they already are, sacrificing professional teachers along the way. Be careful what you say, as there are opposing forces ready and waiting to seize your discontent and capitalize on it for their own agendas and benefits. If that sounds conspiratorial, it’s because it is. Ask Melissa Westbrook (who commented above) about her dealings with Central Admin during the Elementary Math Vote. They accused her of “conspiracy theories” while they actively conspired to undermine the School Board’s vote to adopt Math In Focus. When finally exposed, the actors involved, along with their private-sector benefactors and string pullers, caved in and allowed the law to prevail.

    So I urge people to criticize sincerely, pointedly and appropriately, but not recklessly or gratuitously. Believe it or not, there are a lot of good people at SPS too, who do work hard to hold the system together despite it’s many challenges and shortcomings.

    Sorry to be long-winded, friends. But I’ve done this for 10+ years now, and I’ve seen how these things go, from the inside and out. And I’ve seen parental anger be co-opted and mis-characterized as supposed “public support” for dastardly changes that would in fact harm our schools and further divest parents of what little remaining power and influence they have today over their schools.

  • Chill_Out October 4, 2014 (2:13 pm)

    Thank you, Pjmanley! I completely agree.

  • Paul October 4, 2014 (3:55 pm)

    The Fund Raiser continues! The west Seattle community has stepped up and got 1/3 of the way towards the goal of saving the teacher. This was done with a great Bake Sale. Now it is time to keep this energy going. The West Seattle community has stepped up again and we are going to do a pub crawl. The Beverage House, Feedback Lounge and the Bridge have all signed on to help with the event. There will be live music, football games and BEER! Come out and enjoy the evening and help fund a teacher. SEE YOU THERE!

  • Boots October 4, 2014 (4:04 pm)

    Just last Thursday, The Seattle Times printed an article reporting that the state of Washington is withholding 3 million dollars of Special Education funds fom SPS because of mismanagement. Gatewood has 2 behaviorally disturbed programs…only one other school in the DISTRICT has two EBD programs. In the past Gatewood staff signed a letter addressed to the district siting incidents of non-support. Gatewood staff believes in serving ALL students however they need support in this endeavor. Disrupting Gatewood’s program at this late date is another example of the lack of support we have come to expect from the district.

  • SPS is a joke October 4, 2014 (4:19 pm)

    Well said @Pjmanley, however comparing our district management to business management is not apples to oranges when talking about competency of the people in charge. This is not an isolated incident–it’s a recurring problem year after year due to a flawed policy that no one fixes. So are you saying this is the best they can do or the best our kids deserve? It’s certainly not the end of the world but it’s a preventable mess nonetheless and we should all be demanding better. This “tempest in a teapot” is just two schools in West Seattle ignoring that this is happening across the district EVERY year. This is a bigger deal than you play it down to be. Will the kids survive this? Of course, but it doesn’t make it any less wrong.

  • SPS is a joke October 4, 2014 (5:01 pm)

    The Seattle School Board just unanimously approved a $421,000 contract for an outside firm to tell them how to fix their broken special education program. So there’s where your tax dollars and teacher salaries are going. And we’re forced to have a bake sale to keep a teacher.

    http://www.kplu.org/post/state-freezes-part-seattles-special-ed-funding-district-takes-step-improve

  • spparent October 5, 2014 (4:37 pm)

    Just to clarify, Fairmount Park has been aware and waiting for a new teacher until after October 1st, not ignoring that this happens every year. The October 1st date is quite well known and does seem like forever when you’re waiting to help solve an overcrowding issue.

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