West Seattle Crime Watch: Hit-and-run driver hits parked car

August 20, 2014 at 2:04 am | In Crime, West Seattle news | 57 Comments

ORIGINAL REPORT, 2:04 AM: Thanks to the tipsters who reported a hit-and-run crash early this morning on 44th between Andover and Charlestown. Both reports came in via text, and one included these photos with the explanation, “Stolen car hit a parked car.” The reportedly stolen car is actually the pickup truck in the photo above, and the car it hit was a small SUV.

No injuries reported. We’ll check later this morning to see if anyone was caught.

ADDED 5:53 PM: There are at least two reports related to this incident, and while Seattle Police Media Relations was unable to access, yet, the one with details about the crash itself, they were able to provide the one that dealt with alleged liquor violations by two teenagers believed to have walked away. Ahead, info from that report:

The report – which contains no names or ages (SPD SOP for providing reports to media) – says the officer who wrote it was dispatched just after midnight to help investigate the hit and run in the 3800 block of 44th SW. The original call was “Vehicle hit house, all occupants running northbound, 3 teens.”

The officer got to the area at 12:13 am and “began driving around in the area of SW Charlestown/California SW” and “northbound in the alley west of the 3700 block of California SW. As I drove northbound, I saw three teens in the alley walking northbound. … When the three teens turned and looked southbound, they saw my patrol vehicle and two of the teens ran eastbound toward California SW between several buildings. The third went westbound over a fence toward 44th SW.”

The officer finally caught up with two of them on California SW, and wrote: “When I stopped (both suspects), I could smell a strong odor of alcohol coming from the two. I asked where the two were coming from, they both stated they were at a party. They were unable to give an exact location of the party. I then asked for their names and they both gave to me their correct names, both are juveniles. I asked if they were driving the vehicle that crashed. they both stated that (name redacted) was driving and they did not know it was a stolen vehicle. I placed both … under arrest for minor in possession. I transported (them) to the Southwest precinct.”

While at the precinct in a holding cell, one suspect described as female got sick. “Due to her extreme level of intoxication, SFD was dispatched to the holding cell to check on (her). I asked (the other suspect) if he needed to see SFD, he stated that he was fine and ‘only had two beers at the party’. (Female suspect) was then transported by AMR to Children’s Hospital for detox.” A relative or family friend – hard to tell because of the redaction – was contacted to pick up the male suspect.

The report includes the officer’s recommendation that both teenage suspects – one of whom lives in West Seattle, one of whom lives in Shelton – be charged with unlawful liquor possession (Seattle Municipal Code 12A.24.100, which would be a misdemeanor). We will try again tomorrow to see if the other report related to the crash has become available.

ADDED THURSDAY, 4:36 PM: We have some additional information from another part of the multi-part report related to this case:

This report also says the original call was “a vehicle hit a house and the occupants were running northbound on 44th SW.” This responding officer says no house was hit, but “the suspect vehicle did hit the landscaping at (a house in the 3800 block)” and reports seeing the Honda CR-V pushed up on the sidewalk, with “the suspect vehicle … Toyota Tundra stopped on the sidewalk.” A check revealed the plate was stolen (a different incident number says it was reported stolen in the 9000 block of 1st NW). The victim told police, according to the report, that “he saw a white female in the vehicle. This vehicle was later identified as (name redacted). He stated that there were multiple subjects in the car; however, he was not able to identify their positions in the vehicle. He could not identify the vehicle driver. While I was talking with him, (a witness) arrived on the scene. She stated that she found (suspect) walking midblock on 44th SW. She stated that (name redacted) told her she was in the suspect vehicle at the time of the accident. (She) appeared to be very intoxicated. She stated that she is taking the 5th. She sat down on the sidewalk. She complained about pain to her jaw. I called SFD to have her checked out. SFD arrived; they treated and released her at the scene. Subject (name redacted) then laid down on the sidewalk and went to sleep.

“(name redacted) is a minor. I had (another officer) transport her to her mom … (she) was released to her mom. (Another officer) located two possible subjects in about the 3700 block of California.” (Editor’s note – this appears to refer to what we summarized in the update above, from Wednesday evening.) “They both admitted to being in the stolen vehicle at the time of the accident. They would not say who was driving. They were hostile and uncooperative during questioning. They were taken to the SW Precinct for further questioning. At the precinct, they still refused to cooperate. I was not able to determine their role in the incident. (One) was released to the custody of his aunt. (The other) was highly intoxicated. We were not able to locate a parent or guardian for her. She was taken to Children’s Hospital to be evaluated and released from there.

“I checked the suspect vehicle. The keys to the vehicle were in the ignition. The ignition was intact. A review of the original stolen report revealed that a spare key was located in the center console and used to steal the vehicle. There were several cans of alcoholic beverages in the truck. (Another officer) submitted them into evidence for prints.” The report goes on to mention that photos were taken and uploaded into the SPD system, and that the stolen truck was impounded. Looking up the report numbers related to the car – the plate(s) were reported stolen in the 9000 block of 1st Avenue NW on August 20th, according to this SPD tweet, but we’re not finding the incident number that would have referred to the original theft, so we don’t know where/when the Tundra was taken.

57 Comments

  1. Where do these jack….’s get off with this kinda stuff anyway ruining someone’s vehicles and smashing up their property? Speaking of property maybe the recent crime waves in West Seattle and Delridge will help lower rents and property value around here!

    Comment by NW — 5:59 am August 20, 2014 #

  2. As the owner of the SUV my car is totaled
    3 kids as young as14 so drunk she fell asleep on the curb
    This is such a hassle you can’t believe to be woken up at midnight to your car totaled.caught all 3 kids.
    What are 14 year old girls doing out stoned drunk at that time at night
    Where are the parents?
    I am glad no one was hurt, but a real hassle in so many ways

    Comment by Plf — 6:12 am August 20, 2014 #

  3. Thanks WSB for the update. I live around the corner and heard the car take the round-a-bout waaayy to fast. Couldn’t see what happened but only heard the loud crash. Go figure the car was stolen-

    Comment by Neighbor — 7:09 am August 20, 2014 #

  4. I can’t believe how often this seems to be happening. I’m in the next block; it could’ve just as easily been my little SUV. 14 year olds — are you kidding me?!?

    Comment by Unbelievable — 7:57 am August 20, 2014 #

  5. Shout out to the lady who was driving the neighborhood looking for the kids. She had the girl in her car (who was tanked) and was looking for the others. Heard the car screaming down our street, luckily no one ejected or killed. The SUV that was hit was pushed over the curb and all the way over the parking strip onto the sidewalk. Truck landed in the front yard where some landscaping kept it from the living room. Stupid move and glad to hear the others were caught.

    Comment by Brandon — 8:34 am August 20, 2014 #

  6. Plf so glad no one was injured – and I’m sorry you lost your suv. I’ve had that happen to a car, and I felt violated. They are 14… gosh, I remember playing with legos at 14 (maybe I was/am a lifelong nerd). Anyhow, at no age is it ok to be drinking like that, and stealing cars.
    -
    Glad they were caught. Maybe this will be the catalyst the teens (and their parents?) need, in order to change their lives before they end up killing someone or themselves.

    Comment by ScubaFrog — 9:18 am August 20, 2014 #

  7. Initiate a lawsuit against all parents immediately.
    3 small claims suits, $4K a pop.

    Comment by steve — 9:34 am August 20, 2014 #

  8. Glad they weren’t hurt but doubly glad they got caught. I can’t imagine that newer model (toyota, I think) truck would have been that easy to steal, unlike older Hondas or Subarus, comparatively. So by “stolen” I wonder if it does not mean taking mommy or daddy’s keys and the truck for a little spin while they are asleep on the couch? Yeah, and a message to those parents: you’re doing it wrong.

    Comment by Chuck and Sally's Van Man — 10:02 am August 20, 2014 #

  9. Police this morning indicated we might not be able to get information that easily since they were minors and the only one accountable was who ever was the driver
    I would love to have these delinquents do some serious community sevice and scare them silly
    Next time god forbid someone will get killed
    Can’t say the police were overly helpful, a lot of sorry can’t help you attitude, let’s remember who the victims are and the police are here to protect and serve

    Comment by Plf — 10:28 am August 20, 2014 #

  10. ooh, that just fries me Plf. I hope you can get justice and I hope the parents of these rotten kids read this blog and will step up and do the right thing. (doubtful, but one can hope)

    Comment by HelperMonkey — 11:29 am August 20, 2014 #

  11. Where I grew up, instances like this were a result of gang activity – an initiation. Maybe this incident will be reviewed by the police section that’s monitoring gang activity in WS.

    Comment by heather — 11:44 am August 20, 2014 #

  12. Luckily for them the only thing that saved them from seriously getting hurt was that they were DRUNK.

    PLF sorry about your vehicle. :(

    Comment by payrollgirl — 12:26 pm August 20, 2014 #

  13. Rather than fine the parents, I’d love to see these kids all shamed in public. On the blog, on a billboard, whatever it takes. I for one snuck out at night and my parents never knew. Why should they be fined?

    I lost my little brother due to a car full of drunk teens. I don’t believe in locking them up at this point but exposing their faces to our community would work well to make them think about pulling that again.

    Comment by justme — 12:31 pm August 20, 2014 #

  14. Don’t think the angst should go at the police. Rather, its the legislature’s we vote in, judges and lawyers that let this slip through. Let’s see how it plays out. The police DID catch them, didn’t they? These kids were lucky no one was on that sidewalk walking their pet or going home when they crashed. They have some serious charges coming; stolen car, hit and run, DUI, how did they get it, plus anything else they may find. Hopefully, they can determine the driver, or else its just a game of finger pointing. I’d be surprised if the girl even remembers anything this morning. And I don’t think it was a gang thing, just bored teens.

    Comment by Brandon — 12:56 pm August 20, 2014 #

  15. I have not confirmed any of the above. We have a request out for the police report. Only related notation for the time/place on Tweets by Beat, which is not necessarily a confirmation of anything beyond there having been a call/complaint to police, is “Liquor Violation – Minor.” – TR

    Comment by WSB — 12:59 pm August 20, 2014 #

  16. The police I am sorry to say we’re not helpful
    Last night “need to move your car off the sidewalk”
    How do you want to do it.they towed the other car as evidence and when I called the southwest office to ask about the police report and we found in the light of day drug packets and hardware offi cer Edward told me it was not relevant to the case
    Again less than helpful and I struggle to understand his comment
    I believe I have a right to the information regarding these kids
    And their parents, I have massive issues that I need to address and can see ahead even with great insurance this is a expensive issue for me as a single disabled woman
    At least these kids owe me and our neighbors an apology
    If the parents read this I hope you do the right thing, your kids need help and if you choose not to make this a teaching moment your kids have little chance of being responsible adults and shame on you and a legal system that does not force accountability

    Comment by Plf — 2:22 pm August 20, 2014 #

  17. West seattle blog do u need the police report number, I would appreciate any help and follow up on these kids and parents

    Comment by Plf — 2:23 pm August 20, 2014 #

  18. Yes, you can either post it here or e-mail me at editor@westseattleblog.com in case it’s not the same # as what I sent them. But I won’t get the names. Suspect and victim names are always redacted (blacked out), even if not juveniles. – TR

    Comment by WSB — 2:55 pm August 20, 2014 #

  19. Police report number
    14276520
    Nice to know when or if they will be arraigned so can be in court

    Comment by Plf — 2:59 pm August 20, 2014 #

  20. This was one block from me and I’m pissed. I’m not surprised, though, there is such a wimpy permissiveness dealing with kids in Seattle. I see it everywhere, from parents pleading with their little “Emperor” kids to people walking nervously around kids at the Admiral Safeway. We’re bringing this on ourselves, by not projecting a bolder presence, by not being the adults we’re supposed to be.

    Comment by G — 3:26 pm August 20, 2014 #

  21. Wow.
    How disheartening to hear the police had a “sorry can’t help you attitude”.
    If they cannot help in a situation such as this, when can they help?

    Comment by pupsarebest — 4:26 pm August 20, 2014 #

  22. They *did* catch all of them (3) as far as I know. Unfortunately it was dark, and the driver bolted. But they got prints, etc.

    They had at least:
    stolen liquor bottle(s)
    stolen truck
    stolen license plates
    drugs

    It’ll be interesting to see how it turns out. Seems like all of them should have been arrested and released to their parents for such a serious incident. Instead, I believe they were simply transported home.
    Luckily nobody was meaningfully injured.

    I still want to put a heavy steel 3-foot 4×4 bollard in the center of the roundabout that precipitated the loss of control.

    Comment by clinker — 5:06 pm August 20, 2014 #

  23. Anyone know how you can find out if the kids face charges or need to show up in court
    I want to be there

    Comment by Plf — 5:16 pm August 20, 2014 #

  24. SPD Media Relations couldn’t find a report filed for the number you gave; they did find a report for the alleged liquor violation, which involved two of the alleged walkaways. I will add some info on that. However, I have no names, no ages, and there are no charges filed – that is up to the prosecuting attorney’s office; the PD requests charges but the PAO makes the decision if it’s a felony (if not, it’s the City Attorney’s Office). It could take days, weeks, months. I’m going to ask again tomorrow about the other part of the report but am not certain it’ll turn up by then … TR

    Comment by WSB — 5:31 pm August 20, 2014 #

  25. File a claim with your insurance. They will deal with the police etc. If you want your own vigilante justice/public humiliation of the kids, you’re going to be disappointed. It doesn’t work like that for minors.

    Comment by Emu — 5:54 pm August 20, 2014 #

  26. I’m sad this keeps happening, glad everyone is ok, but surprised by so many reactions about 14 year olds behaving this way. Kids were doing this and much worse at that age and younger 20 years ago when I was in school. Some do, some don’t and even some “good” kids with “perfect” parents get caught up in the wrong situation. Hopefully if it happens, everyone makes it out alive and learns a very scary, valuable lesson.

    Comment by Wsrez — 6:34 pm August 20, 2014 #

  27. I get tired of people blaming parents. My parents were great. Strict enough, fair, set boundaries, we talked, etc…but..I did sneak out and I did end up in cars with people and situations I shouldn’t have been in.

    It was not my parents fault.

    I was a typical curious impulsive teen still learning boundaries and my parents were fantastic.

    Comment by justme — 6:48 pm August 20, 2014 #

  28. Plf – My recollection from a basic law course I took is that parents are liable for the torts of their dependent children. It is probable that the insurance company may go after the parents of the driver to recover what they will pay you for damage to your car. The parents should have homeowners insurance, which includes liability. You should be able to collect for the damage and get your deductible back. Also look into ‘diminished value’, because even if your car is fixed, the Blue Book value will be lower that if it was never hit. Document and keep your receipts for all expenses related to this incident.

    Don’t hesitate to file a claim in small claims against the parents of the driver (assuming she’s a minor) for any losses that your insurance doesn’t cover. While we can’t put these little hellions in pillories at the Admiral Junction, you can make sure that family gets a financial spanking that will serve as an example to others.

    And yes, good parenting makes a difference. When I was a kid, I got into my share of mischief (egging, TP’ing, etc). I would never have dreamed of stealing booze and a car; my parents would’ve killed me and fed me to the chickens! It is clear that these kids are out of control spoiled brats, and need to be held accountable, if for nothing else, to serve as an example to others!

    Comment by McGruff — 8:41 pm August 20, 2014 #

  29. thanks McGruff, I do hope the parents are liable. And Plf, I hope you are more than reimbursed for your trouble.

    Comment by wb — 9:05 pm August 20, 2014 #

  30. Just in time
    Hmm who is responsible for these kids
    This clearly was not their first rodeo
    The changed plates and stole a car, they were using drugs, drinking and energy drinks
    This was not a kid prank but behavior out of control and next time they could kill themselves or others perhaps someone you care about
    It is attitudes that you express that sanction bad behavior as just one of those teenage events that create adults with criminal behaviors,
    Try being in our shoes and you might feel different, hope that never happens but hope you change your perspective if you are a parent

    Comment by Plf — 10:05 pm August 20, 2014 #

  31. That truck nearly ran my son off the road. That said, Minors are Minors. Of course they will be dealt with differently Han adults. By virtue of their juvenile brains, public shaming would do no good whatsoever. 14 year old brains simply aren’t finished yet and they don’t fully get that whole “consequences” thing. Their parents are liable, but let’s be honest, the parents might have insufficient resources to really pay up. Hope that the victim has uninsured motorist and homeowners insurance. I am sorry for the folks who lost property in this and relieved that no one, including myself,lost someone they love to this nonsense.

    Comment by Curtis — 12:43 am August 21, 2014 #

  32. Actually Curtis,

    According to developmental psychologist Kohlberg, teenagers look to the approval of their peers and/or interpersonal relationships with society, in which, according to Kohlberg: Individuals are receptive to approval or disapproval from others as it reflects society’s accordance with the perceived role. They try to be a “good boy” or “good girl” to live up to these expectations.

    So it seems to me that “shaming” the teenager might be a viable option since teenagers respond to how they are seen by others.

    Comment by Eric — 5:15 am August 21, 2014 #

  33. It’s not just paying up, it’s holding yourself and your kids responsible
    An apology , face to face would be a start, instead of me just being faceless, it connects their actions with a real person

    Comment by Plf — 5:34 am August 21, 2014 #

  34. I blame the parents. I see too many children/teens who have not been taught boundaries and respecting others. Sure, kids used to get into trouble – sneaking off, etc etc. What I see new is a blatant lack of of recognition of others – I see also many parents who are afraid to say no to their little darlings. Kids need to be taught respect for others, boundaries and empathy. Too few are.

    Comment by WestofJunction — 9:01 am August 21, 2014 #

  35. Plf, you’re onto something: many folks would just sit back at this point and let the insurance people and the lawyers sort everything out. In this and your previous posts, you’ve expressed an interest in going to court (if the kids are called upon to appear and face charges) and confront them. I think this is a good idea, as it puts a face and a life behind the property they wrecked. When they see that this was not some harmless lark, and that they have caused you quite a bit of upset and inconvenience, at the very least, they may learn that actions HAVE consequences. It could be a real turning point for them, and cause their lives to go in a wholly different and productive direction.
    .
    Then again, they could just be entitled little brats, their parents may object and try to rationalize their behaviour (God forbid this should get on their record and spoil their chances of getting into a good college!), and they’ll just be defensive and wonder what YOUR problem is.
    .
    But, at the end of the day, I’m an optimist. Pursue this thing. I’m hoping that it will change their lives for the better.

    Comment by McGruff — 9:09 am August 21, 2014 #

  36. Observing that line of discussion, you all might be interested in this story from a year ago.
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    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021351214_cellphonevigilantexml.html

    Comment by WSB — 9:17 am August 21, 2014 #

  37. Wonderful story, WSB. It proves there’s always hope, and that it’s worth pursuing.

    Comment by McGruff — 11:01 am August 21, 2014 #

  38. Observing that line of discussion, you all might be interested in this story from a year ago.

    .

    That line of discussion triggered my memory of that same incident, and I was going to search for a story on it to post here.

    .

    The victim in that situation is one of our very own “WSB’ers”. :-)

    .

    Mike

    Comment by miws — 12:38 pm August 21, 2014 #

  39. I am furious that they will be charged with unlawful liquor
    they stole a car, they changed the license plates and destroyed my car that was sitting at my home
    destroyed neighbors proptery
    Any ideas how to push this to a higher level of accountability and how do I know who to sue
    Ugh…this isn’t even a slap on the hand

    Comment by plf — 12:59 pm August 21, 2014 #

  40. To westofjunction…I agree totally with you but as you said in so many words the Parents are afraid and the kids know it,the kids know if their Parents raise a hand or even yell at them they will turn them in as abusive Parents so this is why so many Parents (can’t)do anything and kids get away with “murder”.So blame the Parents or blame society???
    AND I’m not saying these kids should or should have been spanked in earlier years but you get what I’m getting at.

    Comment by unknown — 1:02 pm August 21, 2014 #

  41. I liked that linked story. however, that approach doesn’t work to repair plf’s car. unless these teens had well paying summer jobs, which I am assuming the probably didn’t.

    Comment by sam-c — 2:25 pm August 21, 2014 #

  42. I just got some of the report from the original part of the incident. Will add yet more info later, there’s nothing particularly enlightening in it, though, except for the confirmation that the stolen car had plates stolen from another car. I now have two MORE incident numbers which I’ll have to search Tweets by Beat for, in hopes of figuring out where the stolen car and stolen plates traced to.

    Comment by WSB — 2:37 pm August 21, 2014 #

  43. can i get those reports or the number
    I am so confused regarding what incident report (is this the same as a police report)

    Comment by plf — 2:42 pm August 21, 2014 #

  44. can we confirm that they were arrested or just slapped on the wrist for drinking

    Comment by plf — 2:43 pm August 21, 2014 #

  45. Yes, an incident # is the same as a report #. No one in connection with this has been charged with anything so far as I can tell. As I noted earlier, that’s up to the city attorney’s office in the liquor case, and I can’t tell from what I’ve read so far whether they actually have a suspect name or not in the main part of the case, the hit and run. Please contact police and ask them about the incident – as a victim, you will likely get more information than I will.

    Comment by WSB — 2:46 pm August 21, 2014 #

  46. I have and they refuse to give me any information since there are minors involved

    Comment by plf — 3:00 pm August 21, 2014 #

  47. Plf – I’m so sorry this happened & I’m sorry the police are being unhelpful, insensitive and borderline rude.
    .
    The problem appears to be that they don’t know which teen was the driver; even though they have prints if the teens weren’t booked (we know one was released at the scene to her mother – not sure from the story if the other 2 got “processed” or just put in a holding cell until the one puked & was moved to Childrens) then, unless the driver has a previous record, the police wont have anything to compare the prints to.
    .
    The fact that the parents haven’t reached out to you doesn’t speak well of the chance that they’ll volunteerily do the right thing; make the kids come apologize & try to work out some way to compensate you.
    .
    If charges are filed then you will get the names you’re looking for – but I’m pretty sure that will only happen if the prints on the stolen truck’s steering wheel come back matching someone already in the system. And analyzing the prints will not be a priority because no one was injured (physically- you and the truck owner and the home owners affected have all been hurt financially & emotionally and I don’t want to diminish that)

    Comment by Ms. Sparkles — 5:45 pm August 21, 2014 #

  48. Lots of assumptions going on.
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    I think that parents contacting a victim at this point would generally be discouraged, as it would smack of witness-tampering. So you can’t assume that lack of contact means a thing.
    .
    Charges are almost never filed immediately, so the lack of charges means little.
    .
    If they are “serious” criminals, the police may be more interested in who encouraged them to steal the car, etc.
    .
    If you want to sue the parents, you’ll have to hire a lawyer to do it, because nobody is going to directly give you information. A lawyer make subpoenas and disquisitions happen, but it will quickly cost more than the damage, which is why you don’t usually hear about such lawsuits.

    Comment by Community Member — 9:15 pm August 21, 2014 #

  49. Community member
    Trying being in the victims shoes, I tired of compassion for criminals no matter if they are teenagers or not
    U might be taking a different perspective if someone had been killed

    Comment by Plf — 6:38 am August 22, 2014 #

  50. What part of my post do you think would change if I was in the victim’s shoes?
    .

    Comment by Community Member — 3:39 pm August 22, 2014 #

  51. Eric,

    I think the operative term is peers. Sadly, I think that what most grownups would call shaming, would be seen by the kind of 14 year olds who get drunk and crash a stolen truck as a way to earn street cred. Most kids care way more about what other kids think of them than what stuffy adults think.

    Comment by Curtis — 1:33 am August 23, 2014 #

  52. Brandon indicated a woman had one of the kids in her car and was driving around looking for the others. If he or anyone else noted the license number, that might be a start in locating the perpetrators and their parents.

    Comment by JTB — 8:29 am August 23, 2014 #

  53. The girl in the car was14 so no license
    The police found the other teens and zero information has been provided
    The system does protect these teens and nothing for those impacted

    Comment by Plf — 3:39 pm August 23, 2014 #

  54. The prints off the wheel will finger the driver. Prints off the switched license plate will finger whoever switched it. Your insurance company WILL subrogate against the kids’ parents for any amount they had to pay out to victim(s) if possible. Your insurance company will also pay you only the ACV on your vehicle, less your deductible for property damage. I used to be an SIU guy with a big insurer, you will find out who these clowns are, especially if it goes to SIU.

    Comment by Thomas M. — 6:16 pm August 24, 2014 #

  55. What does siu stand for and acv

    Comment by Plf — 7:44 pm August 24, 2014 #

  56. For the record we’ve had this going on for months in our alleyway. We live up on Delridge and on at least 4 nights a week, we have drunken teenagers, in souped up pickup trucks, drinking openly in the alleyway, racing up and down at high speeds at all hours of the day/night.

    On two occasions they’ve committed physical property damage (kicking down fences, throwing garbage all down the alley), and on two occasions they’ve been drunk and hit another object (another vehicle in an adjacent parking lot, and they managed to plow down another fence in another drunken episode).

    In both cases police were contacted, in both cases police were given complete vehicle/suspect descriptions, with multiple people in the community voicing that they witnessed open drinking in the alleyway.

    Police were completely unhelpful, they first told us they couldn’t do anything about teenage kids drinking in the mostly empty parking lot next door to us because it’s private property, and that in the case of misdemeanors police would not go actively after them.

    I had to have him assert this to me again twice because it doesn’t seem to me to be a good domestic policing policy.

    I asked if a DUI was still a felony and he stated of course, I asked why this wasn’t urgent for them in this case and was referred to some other unit who “may” be able to help us out. I then informed him that the alleyway they are choosing to race drunkenly through also has an apartment building at the end of the alley that is full of kids who may be out there at any given time playing (we have to wait for them to clear out when we pull into the alley to get home), and asked if the thought of a child being mowed down, by a drunken teen, in a 3/4 ton truck on steroids , didn’t seem to suggest a danger to the community, to which he responded by saying nothing and giving me a business card.

    Comment by B.Morris — 5:09 pm August 27, 2014 #

  57. This is disturbing that the southwest police seem to have such disregard
    Kids out of hand, and nothing is done proactively or in response to actual accidents such as the crv that was hit
    We want to be supportive of those who seve but seems like they are not really interested in this community
    When one of these out of control kids kill someone I hope our local officers understand their lack of engagement played a part
    Did those kids get arrested who hit that car, perhaps same group that terrorizes duel ridge, any updates

    Comment by Map — 8:34 pm August 27, 2014 #

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