Comments on: Create a Seattle Park District? Days before ballots arrive, yes/no sides make their cases to Admiral Neighborhood Association http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/ West Seattle news, 24/7 Thu, 28 Aug 2014 01:39:57 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Huh? http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1408035 Huh? Sun, 13 Jul 2014 04:07:56 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1408035 How and why is a fence at an isolated park on Pigeon Point with very little use slated for replacement in the Parks District mapping system of slated projects, repairs or increased service hours? How do these little projects that in totality add up to big money get included? Me thinks this is back-slapping at its worse to try and glean support to the Parks District. http://murray.seattle.gov/parkdistrict/#map How and why is a fence at an isolated park on Pigeon Point with very little use slated for replacement in the Parks District mapping system of slated projects, repairs or increased service hours? How do these little projects that in totality add up to big money get included? Me thinks this is back-slapping at its worse to try and glean support to the Parks District.

http://murray.seattle.gov/parkdistrict/#map

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By: Diane http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1407707 Diane Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:35:48 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1407707 "Wow, I just lost a lot of respect for Rasmussen with his glib response that any suggestion of accountability of taxpayer funds is somehow “anti-government”. I’ll be voting “no” on Prop 1 because I don’t want to secede any more direct taxing power to the goobers who run this city.Comment by blockedpunt" ~ agree; I was there, and was shocked; literally my jaw dropped open; and it was not just a glib statement; it was hostile, and he repeated 2-3 times; I was/am deeply offended; we have had many recent examples of poor city management that should cause all of us to require more accountability from city entities; for Tom to come to a neighborhood meeting and make hostile name-calling statement about citizens who dare to question how our money is being spent, very revealing; and all city council members are up for election very soon; keep that in mind ~ oh, and the reason I went to this meeting, it’s my neighborhood, and I wanted to hear the complex pros/cons of Prop 1; I learned a lot, and will be voting NO; it’s not a vote against parks (which Prop 1 proponents keep saying); it’s a vote against this permanent taxing structure that will forever take away our chance to vote on how/what parks/community centers get funded by our tax dollars “Wow, I just lost a lot of respect for Rasmussen with his glib response that any suggestion of accountability of taxpayer funds is somehow “anti-government”. I’ll be voting “no” on Prop 1 because I don’t want to secede any more direct taxing power to the goobers who run this city.Comment by blockedpunt”
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agree; I was there, and was shocked; literally my jaw dropped open; and it was not just a glib statement; it was hostile, and he repeated 2-3 times; I was/am deeply offended; we have had many recent examples of poor city management that should cause all of us to require more accountability from city entities; for Tom to come to a neighborhood meeting and make hostile name-calling statement about citizens who dare to question how our money is being spent, very revealing; and all city council members are up for election very soon; keep that in mind
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oh, and the reason I went to this meeting, it’s my neighborhood, and I wanted to hear the complex pros/cons of Prop 1; I learned a lot, and will be voting NO; it’s not a vote against parks (which Prop 1 proponents keep saying); it’s a vote against this permanent taxing structure that will forever take away our chance to vote on how/what parks/community centers get funded by our tax dollars

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By: Park needs a haircut http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1407526 Park needs a haircut Sat, 12 Jul 2014 16:26:58 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1407526 I am still very much OK with a Park District good neighbors. Change is harder for some than others and there is no strategy without some risk. That is life in the big city. I would respectfully suggest that cAF and Pete and others who are informed and concerned establish an organized Park District Watchdog group to ensure your greatest fears do not come to pass. Your passion/cynicism is appreciated and would serve your community well. I am still very much OK with a Park District good neighbors. Change is harder for some than others and there is no strategy without some risk.

That is life in the big city.

I would respectfully suggest that cAF and Pete and others who are informed and concerned establish an organized Park District Watchdog group to ensure your greatest fears do not come to pass. Your passion/cynicism is appreciated and would serve your community well.

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By: Pete http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1407432 Pete Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:24:26 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1407432 "Parks needs a haircut" make sure you read the language in this ILA. You just might change how you feel about putting so much trust in to them. The ease with which the terms of this ILA can be changed after the election is astonishing. I encourage anyone even remotely thinking about voting yes for the MPD to make absolutely sure you understand all of the ramifications your YES vote brings to the table of the MPD. “Parks needs a haircut” make sure you read the language in this ILA. You just might change how you feel about putting so much trust in to them. The ease with which the terms of this ILA can be changed after the election is astonishing. I encourage anyone even remotely thinking about voting yes for the MPD to make absolutely sure you understand all of the ramifications your YES vote brings to the table of the MPD.

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By: Charissa http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1406919 Charissa Sat, 12 Jul 2014 04:44:49 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1406919 I am voting NO ON PROP 1. It is a blank check to zoo management that has proven irresponsible and unaccountable. If you need an example, just look at our poor elephants. I support our parks and zoo, but have zero confidence in zoo management and therefore will vote NO. I am voting NO ON PROP 1. It is a blank check to zoo management that has proven irresponsible and unaccountable. If you need an example, just look at our poor elephants. I support our parks and zoo, but have zero confidence in zoo management and therefore will vote NO.

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By: parks need a haircut http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1406877 parks need a haircut Sat, 12 Jul 2014 04:11:21 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1406877 i am very OK with this Parks District concept. I trust interlocal agreements and the flexibility for funding they provide. That's really what this is about - the funding mechanisms. I am no huge fan of Rasmussen, believe me. But on this, he is accurate. it seems some of the push back is from particular people who are just use to overseeing and spending our money. Must have been great while it lasted, but all things have their seasons. Especially parks, right? :) So, coming off years of a very heady spending spree for parks - and its been *great* for the city no question - but me thinks some protest too much because they simply have gotten use to their participation in the "government lite" citizens' oversight of blowing the wad. It's over guys. This is good. Though I think the six year reviews could be closer together, but interlocals often have wider review gaps. They are NOT without potential problems, but funding sources will not be one of them. Have no fear - a new citizen watchdog group will evolve and make sure all is done in the best interests of all and for the greatest good. BELIEVE! i am very OK with this Parks District concept. I trust interlocal agreements and the flexibility for funding they provide. That’s really what this is about – the funding mechanisms. I am no huge fan of Rasmussen, believe me. But on this, he is accurate.

it seems some of the push back is from particular people who are just use to overseeing and spending our money. Must have been great while it lasted, but all things have their seasons. Especially parks, right? :)

So, coming off years of a very heady spending spree for parks – and its been *great* for the city no question – but me thinks some protest too much because they simply have gotten use to their participation in the “government lite” citizens’ oversight of blowing the wad.

It’s over guys. This is good. Though I think the six year reviews could be closer together, but interlocals often have wider review gaps. They are NOT without potential problems, but funding sources will not be one of them.

Have no fear – a new citizen watchdog group will evolve and make sure all is done in the best interests of all and for the greatest good.

BELIEVE!

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By: cAF http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1406580 cAF Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:53:23 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1406580 Once an MPD is voted in, all power forever goes to City Councilmembers (current and future) - Hmm..Waterfront Mega Park or Alki Community Center who will get the money? hmm, looks like we've got a lot of good potential projects; we should double the MPD tax rate. hmm...this oversight committee is wasteful and just a pain the the behind; let's abolish it. This could be a VERY expensive experiment. It's a blank check for the City Council. Yes, all MPD taxes go to parks, but Council can choose to use the monies however they want within a very loose definition of "parks & recreation". Will they choose pet projects that can WOW the rest of the world or put neighborhood parks and care of natural areas first? Hmmm... I've been hearing some talk about a sports and entertainment district in SoDo; under state law that could fit the definition of parks & recreation. Please do the research.... check on the facts... don't just accept the campaign promises. Be sure to read #6.1 of the ILA that says they can decide not to do any of the things they've "promised" to do; they just have to tell us 180 days before they actually change their promises and poof, no more promises. The vote is the only real power we have and they want to take it away. I say we keep it and use it right now to send a clear signal that we endorse good government and the MPD just doesn't pass the test. Once an MPD is voted in, all power forever goes to City Councilmembers (current and future) – Hmm..Waterfront Mega Park or Alki Community Center who will get the money? hmm, looks like we’ve got a lot of good potential projects; we should double the MPD tax rate. hmm…this oversight committee is wasteful and just a pain the the behind; let’s abolish it.

This could be a VERY expensive experiment. It’s a blank check for the City Council. Yes, all MPD taxes go to parks, but Council can choose to use the monies however they want within a very loose definition of “parks & recreation”. Will they choose pet projects that can WOW the rest of the world or put neighborhood parks and care of natural areas first? Hmmm… I’ve been hearing some talk about a sports and entertainment district in SoDo; under state law that could fit the definition of parks & recreation.

Please do the research…. check on the facts… don’t just accept the campaign promises. Be sure to read #6.1 of the ILA that says they can decide not to do any of the things they’ve “promised” to do; they just have to tell us 180 days before they actually change their promises and poof, no more promises.

The vote is the only real power we have and they want to take it away. I say we keep it and use it right now to send a clear signal that we endorse good government and the MPD just doesn’t pass the test.

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By: Marty http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1406353 Marty Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:42:01 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1406353 Another step toward taxing the %*#€ out of us. A big NO from me. Another step toward taxing the %*#€ out of us. A big NO from me.

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By: au http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1406309 au Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:01:45 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1406309 I will be voting NO on Prop 1. There is much information out there as to why this is a very bad idea. John Fox wrote a piece for real change Vol 21,NO.19 about the negative effects of Prop.1 that convinced me. It seems that this Prop will take away our ability to vote on park taxes plus some other negative effects. Please everybody before you make a decision research this Prop. I will be voting NO on Prop 1. There is much information out there as to why this is a very bad idea. John Fox wrote a piece for real change Vol 21,NO.19 about the negative effects of Prop.1 that convinced me. It seems that this Prop will take away our ability to vote on park taxes plus some other negative effects.
Please everybody before you make a decision research this Prop.

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By: blockedpunt http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1406239 blockedpunt Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:18:14 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1406239 Wow, I just lost a lot of respect for Rasmussen with his glib response that any suggestion of accountability of taxpayer funds is somehow "anti-government". I'll be voting "no" on Prop 1 because I don't want to secede any more direct taxing power to the goobers who run this city. Wow, I just lost a lot of respect for Rasmussen with his glib response that any suggestion of accountability of taxpayer funds is somehow “anti-government”. I’ll be voting “no” on Prop 1 because I don’t want to secede any more direct taxing power to the goobers who run this city.

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By: jwright http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1405943 jwright Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:57:11 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1405943 Levies are a terrible way to fund a going concern (like Parks And Recreation) because the folks running things do not have consistent funding and so cannot plan. I realize being anti-government is in vogue, but I believe government is part of the solution and support the initiative. Levies are a terrible way to fund a going concern (like Parks And Recreation) because the folks running things do not have consistent funding and so cannot plan. I realize being anti-government is in vogue, but I believe government is part of the solution and support the initiative.

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By: Pete http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1405755 Pete Fri, 11 Jul 2014 03:05:58 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1405755 Several points to bring into clearer focus - - the ILA that is so often referred to can be changed by the MPD board at anytime - once the MPD is voted into place the voters cannot vote it out - the MPD can raise the taxing rate with no further vote of the citizens - it is stated that the bulk of the money will go to maintenance and this is not true as less than 50% will actually go to address the maintenance backlog - using Parks figures as to how big the maintenance backlog is that needs to be addressed based on current figures, inflation and future maintenance needs the amount needed will basically be the same as it is today I encourage voters to study and research this issue prior to August 5th when ballots are due. I encourage you to vote NO and keep our Parks under the citizens control and not the MPD that in reality you gave little control over. Several points to bring into clearer focus –
- the ILA that is so often referred to can be changed by the MPD board at anytime
- once the MPD is voted into place the voters cannot vote it out
- the MPD can raise the taxing rate with no further vote of the citizens
- it is stated that the bulk of the money will go to maintenance and this is not true as less than 50% will actually go to address the maintenance backlog
- using Parks figures as to how big the maintenance backlog is that needs to be addressed based on current figures, inflation and future maintenance needs the amount needed will basically be the same as it is today

I encourage voters to study and research this issue prior to August 5th when ballots are due. I encourage you to vote NO and keep our Parks under the citizens control and not the MPD that in reality you gave little control over.

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By: denise http://westseattleblog.com/2014/07/create-a-seattle-park-district-days-before-ballots-arrive-yesno-sides-make-their-cases-to-admiral-neighborhood-association/#comment-1405746 denise Fri, 11 Jul 2014 02:48:00 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=278733#comment-1405746 I am sorry. But given the transportation issues we have in this city. I no longer have any respect for Mr. Rasmussen. I will not support any of his recommendation s I am sorry. But given the transportation issues we have in this city. I no longer have any respect for Mr. Rasmussen. I will not support any of his recommendation s

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