West Seattle Crime Watch: Two street robberies last night

April 1, 2014 at 10:49 am | In Crime, West Seattle news | 98 Comments

10:49 AM: Police are investigating two reported street robberies reported in West Seattle last night, believed to be related. We have heard from the victim in one that happened in The Junction – he wants to be anonymous, but wrote:

I just wanted to let readers be aware that last night, at approximately 9:00 pm, I was assaulted and robbed. There was a group of teen/young adult men waiting at the (C Line, Alaska west of California) bus stop. They followed me down a few blocks [to 46th/Alaska] and once I was alone, they rushed me, punched me several times, and grabbed at my (Timbuk3 custom messenger) bag. Once they had the bag they ran off.

In retrospect, the group seemed very suspicious from the start, like they were just looking for targets. There were about 7-10 people in the group, and they split up so they could attack me from several sides at once. I just wanted the people of West Seattle to remember to stay aware of their environment and to be safe.

The victim had told us that police mentioned another street robbery last night in the Westwood Village area. So we asked Seattle Police about that. Det. Mark Jamieson said that one was reported around 11:30 pm near the Westwood QFC and led to police contacting a “group of possible suspects” and arresting one for robbery. He says the victim told police “a group of 6-8 males and females had approached him, asked what time it was, and then assaulted him and took his cell phone. Seattle Fire also responded to treat the victim’s cuts and abrasions. The injuries did not require any further medical treatment. The victim told officers that the suspects then fled. While officers were interviewing the victim, other officers located four suspects at 35th Avenue SW and SW Roxbury Street. The victim was able to positively idenitify one of the adult males in the group, as well as a juvenile female as being involved in his attack and robbery. Both suspects were arrested and taken to the precinct. … During the investigation, officers recovered items such as credit and debit cards near the scene of the robbery.” Those cards were linked to the Junction robbery, he says, adding that the juvenile female was questioned and then released to her family. The victim in the earlier robbery, by the way, said he didn’t need medical attention, but he’s bruised.

12:20 PM: A post about the robberies on SPD Blotter also mentions a third possible case the night before.

98 Comments

  1. Thank you for sharing this story. I hope the victim is OK. It makes me quite nervous to travel on the bus when things like this happen.

    Comment by Alia — 11:04 am April 1, 2014 #

  2. Yes, thank you for sharing that story, and I hope everyone is okay. Captain Steve Wilske from the SPD will be at our meeting WWRHAH tonight – and if you want to talk about crime in the Westwood area, please come. We had established a good relationship with SPD and KCSO and want to maintain that though the new Captain’s transition.

    Comment by AmandaKH — 11:18 am April 1, 2014 #

  3. So glad I carry

    Comment by GM — 11:27 am April 1, 2014 #

  4. I live a block from the Alaska attack and why I hesitate to take out the garbage at night or walk to the store after dark. I see the groups of loiterers and worry for good reason. Wait until the Junction has the several more hundred renters. More victims and more perps. If we really aspire to be West Seattle Downtown, we have arrived. Our neighborhood is just a bus ride away from the worst Seattle has to offer. Where is our police presence?

    Comment by BJG — 11:32 am April 1, 2014 #

  5. And again, another case for concealed carry. It is a shame we as a community put up with this crime.

    I live near Westwood Village, have a concealed carry license, and I approve of this message.

    Don’t leave home without it.

    Comment by Ray — 11:35 am April 1, 2014 #

  6. Anonymous: I’m sorry this happened to you and appreciate your sharing this. I was nervous about a group of teens at that stop one night and told myself I was being paranoid. Apparently not. (I caught a transfer bus that night and wasn’t alone)

    Comment by Chris W — 11:53 am April 1, 2014 #

  7. Very sorry to hear this happened. But it is always good to hear that the culprits were identified.
    .
    BLG: According to the Department of Justice, criminals prefer to commit crimes that require the least amount of effort and pose the lowest risks. Street crimes like these happen occur when offenders come into contact with potential victims in areas where the the chances of detection by others is low, giving them a better chance to not be identified or apprehended. Increased foot traffic in the Junction at night makes street thugs more visible and more vulnerable to being seen and reported to the police. Higher density in the Junction has a better chance of reducing street crime than increasing it.

    Comment by cjboffoli — 11:54 am April 1, 2014 #

  8. Same here CM young kids are out robbing to make money so you got to carry or watch your back

    Comment by DH — 12:02 pm April 1, 2014 #

  9. Any reason a description of the perps was not included?

    Comment by Marty — 12:03 pm April 1, 2014 #

  10. Finally! A neighborhood target range at my disposal. Come and get me, punks!

    Comment by DTK — 12:06 pm April 1, 2014 #

  11. I am so sorry to hear this. I hope the people that were assaulted are healing…
    It did sound like the first incident was around the Junction Metro/Sound Transit Transfer hub, would it be prudent to raise these concerns to KCSO Transit division to keep the Junction area and Metro riders safer?

    Comment by renaissancered — 12:12 pm April 1, 2014 #

  12. Ray:

    I support CCW too, but this is not the place to take a stand. Drawing on 7-10 juveniles creates another problem, not resolves one. I don’t envy the kind of person who looks forward to that kind of confrontation with the expectation that (a) his gun will resolve it and (b) he’d relish using it.

    Comment by Phillip — 12:15 pm April 1, 2014 #

  13. As a responsible gun owner who understands consequences, it boils my blood to see the internet tough guys advocating, hoping, and being excited for murder in self defense. Target range? Give me a break. You’re either posturing or a sociopath. Murdering someone, even when justified, is not something to be proud of. You should be praying to never draw down, not excited for a “shooting range.”

    Comment by Phillip — 12:18 pm April 1, 2014 #

  14. Marty – Every shred of information I have is in this story. SPD has since put up a blotter post, mentioning a possible third, and I’ll be adding the link.
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    http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2014/04/01/several-street-robberies-in-west-seattle-one-suspect-arrested-another-identified/

    Comment by WSB — 12:19 pm April 1, 2014 #

  15. Sorry CJB but I see the opposite. The crowded streets of downtown Seattle, Capital Hill and on Metro’s full buses have seen some of the worst crimes lately. Maybe you feel safe at California and Alaska, but I don’t feel safe on my dark street a block away. It was never thus and have lived in the same place since since 1971.

    Comment by BJG — 12:27 pm April 1, 2014 #

  16. Yes, please describe the perps: race? approx. age? Adults as in 19 or 35? Thank you and sorry for your troubles!

    Comment by BMC — 12:28 pm April 1, 2014 #

  17. The “juveniles” know right from wrong. They are chosing to perform what they know are illegal acts that have consequences.

    I will not risk the safety of my family or myself at the expense of some juveniles.

    They must live with any consequences as would I.

    I truly hope something “bad” never happens to anyone, but if it happens to me, I will not go down easy.

    And no, this is not some sort of gun blood lust. It is a fact we have a significant gang problem in West Seattle (as well as all of the City). The police have limited success dealing with this issues due to politics, budgets/racial issues that leaves the rest of us is some sort of limbo. We are stuck having to defend ourselves.

    Comment by Ray — 12:35 pm April 1, 2014 #

  18. Ray, I fail to see how your concealed carry would help you here? How exactly does adding a gun to this situation help?

    What we need are more police patrols both at the Junction and at Westwood Village.

    Comment by Gabby — 12:38 pm April 1, 2014 #

  19. Phillip thank you for being a positive voice of reason and sanity.

    Comment by Mat — 12:41 pm April 1, 2014 #

  20. via police report; “Officers also are looking at a connection to a reported strong arm robbery reported the night before, also in West Seattle.”
    ~
    dear police: where was the 3rd location?

    Comment by Diane — 12:53 pm April 1, 2014 #

  21. Because, Gabby, GM, DTK, DH, & Ray have mad ninja quick-draw skills and would never allow being blindsided by a younger stronger tougher group to injure or disorient them before they got off a shot.

    Don’t you know anything about the Wild West?!?? Nobody takes the Lone Ranger’s gun away from him after kicking him in the head.

    Comment by JAT — 12:57 pm April 1, 2014 #

  22. I agree with Mat. Thank you Phillip.

    Comment by Duskyviolet — 1:01 pm April 1, 2014 #

  23. FYI, SPD Captain for West Seattle will be at our meeting tonight. Our WWRHAH meetings are on the 1st Tuesday of every every month in the upstairs meeting room of the SW Branch of the Seattle Public Library at 9010 35th Ave SW, Seattle, WA 98126. This is at the intersection of 35th Ave SW and SW Henderson Street. Our meetings are from 6:15pm to 7:45pm.

    Comment by Joe Szilagyi — 1:10 pm April 1, 2014 #

  24. What cowards these criminals are, going out thugging in huge groups, attacking lone people just walking home. Despicable. Cuddos to the victims for choosing their safety over their stuff. What these losers can’t steal is the respectable and worthwhile lives their victims lead. They’ll never have that.

    Comment by Rebecca — 1:11 pm April 1, 2014 #

  25. Warm weather seems to bring out bad behavior. Spring break?

    Comment by LyndaB — 1:23 pm April 1, 2014 #

  26. Well, to each their own.

    The police cannot be everywhere, and it is likely crimes will happen when there are none nearby.

    I hope you are never in a situation where you will wish you had a gun.

    I an glad I have my rights, and I will exercise them as I see fit.

    Comment by Ray — 1:23 pm April 1, 2014 #

  27. Well I guess we know who’s got the “fight” and who’s got the “flight.”

    Comment by DTK — 1:30 pm April 1, 2014 #

  28. Lynda – it’s not spring break for two more weeks. At least in Seattle Public Schools.

    Comment by WSB — 1:41 pm April 1, 2014 #

  29. So in essence, Phillip, Mat and the other liberals are saying “guns are bad! you don’t get to protect yourself against thugs! adding a gun to the equation is irresponsible”. Tell that to George Zimmerman while a young thug was trying to beat his brains out.

    Ray’s absolutely right of course. We need more responsible people with firearms. Shame on the likes of Phillip who’d rather see us victimized – and who purport to be “responsible gun owners”, and then call any gun owner or concealed carrier a “sociopath” because we will defend our lives, and we refuse to let ourselves be victimized.

    The SPD should have included a description of the criminals.

    Comment by ScubaFrog — 1:44 pm April 1, 2014 #

  30. Carrying a conceal weapon is our right. You may thank me and shake my hand if I save your life one day.

    I can live with myself, I could not if I did nothing.

    Comment by T Rex — 1:45 pm April 1, 2014 #

  31. The gun toters commenting above have obviously never been victims if street crime. It doesn’t happen the way you think it does. In reality, the vast majority of street crime follows this sequence of events: you wake up on the sidewalk without your wallet and phone. If you carry a gun, then they get that too, and it will subsequently be used in other crimes. So if you carry a gun, you are not really protecting yourself, you’re just putting the rest of us at greater risk of gun crimes.

    Comment by Peter doesn't pack — 2:08 pm April 1, 2014 #

  32. @cjboffoli, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but my Personal Experience here in Seattle has been that ALL of the times I have been approached by criminal types such as these have been in well-trafficed areas such as popular bus stops, pedestrian areas (one could say “Vibrant” areas), etc. but NEVER in lower populated areas.

    Comment by bolo — 2:27 pm April 1, 2014 #

  33. The police report says, “A juvenile female was also identified as being involved. She was interviewed and released to the custody of her mother.” It doesn’t say how old she is, or what her criminal history is. Maybe she’s 13. Maybe she’s been tricked into participating in a street robbery, to make it easier for her to be trafficked. Maybe she’s been kidnapped. But big men on this thread want to post about target practice. Boastful talk about how someone would LOVE to shoot into a group of juveniles is weird-scary.

    Comment by Community Member — 2:43 pm April 1, 2014 #

  34. @Peter doesn’t pack – You’ve made bold claims. Can you back your claims with a link to the supporting data? I am a “gun toter” as well and I have been a victim of street crime. You did only refer to the comments above yours though.

    Comment by Really? — 2:55 pm April 1, 2014 #

  35. This seems to have started when they changed the routes from white center to westwood village.
    Also McDonalds at westwood village must kick out the kids who come in and hang out for long periods of time without buying a thing. I see this when go by there.

    Comment by Dee — 3:00 pm April 1, 2014 #

  36. I think the real take-away from this and all such street crime incidents is this: be aware of your surroundings and trust your gut. Keep your head on a swivel and never ignore what your gut is telling you about any situation you see. Who cares if someone or a group might be offended if you cross the street instead of walking past them? If you feel safer doing so, then do it! If you keep looking around and paying attention, you’ll look like less of a victim. If you choose to carry (and I heartily support your right to do so), you’ll have early warning of any threats and the opportunity to be ready to draw if need be. I walk through Westwood Village at least three times a week and I am ALWAYS looking around to see who’s where and what they’re doing. Granted I look more like a threat than a victim, but that doesn’t stop me from keeping ALWAYS aware of my surroundings.

    Comment by DarkHawke — 3:27 pm April 1, 2014 #

  37. bolo: Not stating an opinion but actual studies based on data. The suggestion that greater density breeds crime simply does not hold up. In fact, residential burglary statistics also show that apartments in urban centers are burgled less than single family houses in suburbs. If I’m on any street in a large city and have a choice between it being nearly empty and it being full of passersby (with cell phones) I’ll always choose the latter. Activated streets are simply less fertile for street crime than deserted ones.

    Comment by cjboffoli — 3:28 pm April 1, 2014 #

  38. So in essence, Phillip, Mat and the other liberals are saying “guns are bad! you don’t get to protect yourself against thugs! adding a gun to the equation is irresponsible”. Tell that to an unarmed African American Teenager while George Zimmerman was trying to beat his brains out.
    Ray’s absolutely right of course. We need more responsible people with firearms. Shame on the likes of Phillip who’d rather see us victimized – and who purport to be “responsible gun owners”, and then call any gun owner or concealed carrier a “sociopath” because we will defend our lives, and we refuse to let ourselves be victimized.
    The SPD should have included a description of the criminals.

    ScubaFrog- I fixed that for you.

    Comment by valvashon — 4:02 pm April 1, 2014 #

  39. Cjb – where’s the data you are referring to? You have a great creative mind but show fact.

    Comment by where's the data — 4:07 pm April 1, 2014 #

  40. Anonymous, can we get a more detailed description?

    White, black, hispanic, teens, 20′s?

    This would help your felow neighbors tremendously.

    Glad you are not hurt severly.

    Comment by Smitty — 4:20 pm April 1, 2014 #

  41. The issue is the proximity to transit centers and the escape routes they provide. Ask your transit cops about that cjboffoli. Density is irrelevant for these mobile gangsta wanna-bes, except for the political opportunism and obfuscation it promotes. Guns are not a solution.

    Comment by Down the road — 4:33 pm April 1, 2014 #

  42. cjboffoli: what do residential burglary statistics have to do with assault? I’m wary of believing that statistic applies to assault. There seem to be more assaults in heavily trafficked 3rd and Pike than there are say on Ferry Street. The gut feeling at the Junction bus stop area is not getting better with more people around.

    Comment by sgs — 4:33 pm April 1, 2014 #

  43. This just sucks, a good reminder to be aware of your environment. Unfortunately this happened in greenwood and a man lost his life. Let’s teach the youth to have some morals and value themselves and others not stuff. Sorry for you loss and being attacked.

    Comment by MARIE Figgins — 5:07 pm April 1, 2014 #

  44. The liberals in this thread have a remarkable – remarkable amount of sympathy toward the aforementioned criminals. Not one of them talked about the victim, and wished him/her a quick recovery (physically/psychologically/fiscally), and my very first thoughts are with the victims. These kids will kill us – and the liberals will blame white male conservative men and gw bush for the killers’ actions. Unbelievable. Guns are THEE solution. We’ve got every nationality of Trayvon Martin running around victimizing us and killing us. Situational awareness, courage, sensibility and the means of self defense are paramount in American society today.

    Comment by ScubaFrog — 5:20 pm April 1, 2014 #

  45. @cjboffoli,

    Let’s compare apples to apples. Why did you attempt to infer data (what data?) on residential burglaries applies to one-on-one or many-on-one assault on the street? I will stand by my previously stated Personal Experience:

    ALL of the times I have been approached by criminal types such as these have been in well-trafficed areas such as popular bus stops, pedestrian areas (one could say “Vibrant” areas), etc. but NEVER in lower populated areas.

    Comment by bolo — 5:39 pm April 1, 2014 #

  46. Wow 7 to 10 of them on one. Going back to the glock looks like 6 will not do it any more!! And they ask way we need high capacity magazines? That way!!

    Comment by kam — 5:55 pm April 1, 2014 #

  47. It is only going to get worse with all of the crap development going up all over WS. Furthermore, with the neutering of the SPD by DOJ, the City, and the Seattle populace it is only encourage these POS to continue to conduct this type of crime. Well hopefully the progressives will get these POS some social services so they can saved and become outstanding members of the community!

    Comment by buckwheat — 6:09 pm April 1, 2014 #

  48. ScubaFrog…Maybe you should scroll up a little higher and take off the blinders.

    Comment by Duskyviolet — 6:28 pm April 1, 2014 #

  49. Don’t worry, pilgrim. Ray in West Seattle carries a six-gun.

    Comment by Jimmy Luther — 6:28 pm April 1, 2014 #

  50. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Goetz

    Comment by SomeGuy — 6:29 pm April 1, 2014 #

  51. sgs: In this case the assault was incidental. This was a strong arm robbery. That was the goal of the perpetrators.
    .
    Down the road: How does that work? You rob someone and then stand around waiting for the next bus? Or you time it so you can jump right on? People inclined to commit crime are going to do it regardless of the means of transportation they have in which to escape. My point is that Junction streets are fairly deserted at night. With more people on the street there is less opportunity to commit crimes with impunity.
    .
    where’s the data: Here is some background reading:
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    https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/physenv.pdf
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    http://ceds.org/pdfdocs/Chapter8.pdf
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    http://www.nmhc.org/files/ContentFiles/Brochures/Myth%20and%20Fact%20FINAL.pdf
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_prevention_through_environmental_design
    .
    http://www.popcenter.org/problems/street_robbery/3 (Item 22)
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    http://walkonomics.com/blog/2012/03/improving-street-walkability-reduces-crime/

    Comment by cjboffoli — 6:31 pm April 1, 2014 #

  52. Um, why is it that everyone against concealed weapons is called a “liberal?” (Like that’s a bad thing! :) My right wing conservative family members are all anti-gun, except on the farm where you have to keep the wolves from the livestock. Anyway, this isn’t a liberal vs conservative issue. We’re more diverse than that.

    Comment by Chris W — 6:58 pm April 1, 2014 #

  53. ScubaFrog — Right on.
    Why is there no description of the perps? WS is no longer a safe place after dark. These thugs get more bold by the minute.

    SPD is doing the best job possible but cannot be everywhere for everyone in trouble. That is why the perps’ descriptions would be helpful.

    Comment by Seattlite — 7:01 pm April 1, 2014 #

  54. CJB:
    .
    “Higher density in the Junction has a better chance of reducing street crime than increasing it.”
    .
    I believe that is incorrect. High population density in an area of that size lends to increased opportunity for crime because there is no fixed guardianship.

    Comment by QS — 7:04 pm April 1, 2014 #

  55. WOW… this one is blowing up the airwaves. I heartily recommend unplugging your ears while out and about. And if you do see groups wearing a dominate color, call 911, could be red-bloods, blue-crips, or some other color. Also very doubtful that the young woman was an innocent here-even if she was 13 (which we don’t know). Always know where your escape routes are, you might need them. And as noted above, follow your gut. Better to feel foolish and be safe than to be prideful and victimized.

    Comment by westielite — 7:17 pm April 1, 2014 #

  56. I agree that it is “doubtful” that the little girl is completely innocent. I strongly object to idea that that makes her target practice.

    Comment by Community Member — 7:48 pm April 1, 2014 #

  57. I’m unable to send emails at the moment but i just wanted to say that there was another incident of an assault around midnight 3/31 4/1 at the corner of Avalon and 35th. My roommates had their bank cards and phones stolen after being attacked by a male and female. They were hit with a beer bottle, tackled and stabbed. This may or May not be related to the other two . They are okay and this was reported.

    Comment by s — 8:01 pm April 1, 2014 #

  58. For a general comparison of Seattle’s population density (by census block)in relation to the geographic occurrence of a variety of crimes (number per square mile), check out the links below.

    http://buildthecity.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/seattle_2010_density.jpg

    http://web6.seattle.gov/mnm/statistics.aspx?tabId=3

    Comment by David Hutchinson — 8:10 pm April 1, 2014 #

  59. No place to park at the Junction at night, but the streets are deserted?

    Comment by Gina — 8:12 pm April 1, 2014 #

  60. The best thing we can all do to combat violence is argue and insult each other. Lots of great work being done here so far.

    Comment by Jason — 8:19 pm April 1, 2014 #

  61. I was driving to Westcrest dog park the other day. I drove by 2 youths walking down the street. One was dressed in red and wearing a red bandana across his mouth. I didn’t know it at the time but now after doing some research, apparently this is called flagging – showing your gang colors. Just wondering, should I call 911 if I see flagging. I observed no criminal behavior but seeing the bandana across the mouth was frightening to me. I was glad I was driving by in a locked car.
    This was around noon during the weekday.

    Comment by Westside Dog Owner — 8:23 pm April 1, 2014 #

  62. cjboffoli – thanks for all those links. I’ll give the argument more weight.

    Comment by sgs — 8:26 pm April 1, 2014 #

  63. I use my cell as a radio, listening to podcasts and actual radio via cellular when on the bus. On the C, I make sure that it stays in my pocket. The C brings in a mixed bunch of folks to the Junction, including, apparently, criminals. I could have easily been the victim if I was out at the ungodly hour (not) of 9:30 PM. I travel the C because there isn’t a 56 weekend route (concentrating the sheep for the wolves)…

    Comment by JayDee — 8:29 pm April 1, 2014 #

  64. I live a couple blocks south of the junction on California and last weekend there were a group of kids (looked about high school age) all males who were harassing my neighbor and throwing things at him. He called the police. One cop showed up, didn’t do anything, and after he drove off the kids laughed and started to pretend to shoot him. They then started throwing objects at cars.

    The police don’t seem very effective, and they know it.

    Comment by RD — 8:32 pm April 1, 2014 #

  65. I need help with this one. I like to search on my own rather than rely on the links provided, especially when the first link is to a report from 1996. Should I google for a phrase other than, “population density and crime rate” because I can’t find anything that supports the claim that density reduces crime? If my search phrase is accurate, then how many pages did you click through to find those articles?

    Comment by Curious — 8:46 pm April 1, 2014 #

  66. this was in my neighborhood. I’m pissed. The bus transports mostly rif-raf after a certain hour… Whenever I drive by the junction bus stop after dark, there are skeezy looking teenagers/early 20′s. I agree with JayDee about the C line.

    Comment by ttt — 9:20 pm April 1, 2014 #

  67. A major bus transfer point like The Junction would be a great place for cameras just for reasons like this. Might also discourage just such entrapment. Sad to see this kind of evolution though given all the people in the area and then have these guys not even worry about it. :/

    Comment by cj — 9:27 pm April 1, 2014 #

  68. David Hutchinson: That comparison would be skewed by a number of metrics, including the likelihood that more affluent areas in Seattle have traditionally been less dense and thus higher crime rates in denser areas could have more to do with lower income levels, lower education and literacy levels, lower levels of opportunity, etc. For instance, housing projects are much denser than suburban neighborhoods and coincidentally have higher rates of crime per capita. But adding hundreds of $1,500-$2,500 apartments (or half-million dollar townhouses) to the West Seattle Junction will not give you the same result in terms of crime potential regardless of the approaching parity on residential density.
    .
    But along those lines you could look at the steady increase in Seattle’s OVERALL population over the past couple of decades in contrast to the steadily falling crimes rates. If the basic premise is that more people means more crime, how is it that we’re adding more people every year (within the same land mass of the City of Seattle) and yet crime is steadily falling? Even the anecdotal opinions of BJG & bolo might be less a matter of an actual increase in crime and a greater increase in being INFORMED about crime by the WSB.

    Comment by cjboffoli — 9:28 pm April 1, 2014 #

  69. I was at a red light at Alaska and California,facing west towards the bus stops last night at 8:50-ish pm. I watched this large group of kids walk around those waiting at the bus stops on the north side and then cross the street to the south. The number of people in their group looked intimidating and I had a bad feeling about it. Makes me sick that they were out hurting people. I hope everyone harmed heals quickly.

    Comment by BA — 9:56 pm April 1, 2014 #

  70. westside dog owner,

    I would consider it my duty to call, but I wouldn’t necessarily expect SPD to urgently send a car by. But the info MIGHT be more relevant than you or I could ever know, so we are asked to call.

    SPD’s Mantra: Call with ANY observed unusual or suspicous behavior.

    Comment by 911 Mantra — 10:02 pm April 1, 2014 #

  71. @cjboffoli,

    (quoting you) ” Even the anecdotal opinions of BJG & bolo might be less a matter of an actual increase in crime and a greater increase in being INFORMED about crime by the WSB.”

    What??? My Personal Experiences are just that. Things I have personally experienced during my 29 years living here in Seattle. Nothing at all to do w/the WSB. Nothing I have read about. These things happened to me Personally, many of them in fact before WSB was invented. Not data from a study, not reports from a think tank.

    Try again, my friend. I do respect you as an artist, human being, and neighbor, but am losing respect for your debate skills.

    Comment by bolo — 10:47 pm April 1, 2014 #

  72. Organize and fight back

    Comment by Take a stand — 11:22 pm April 1, 2014 #

  73. The fox news question “why no description” is a meme meant to chide the media for underreporting crime by minorities. You are not subtle when asking this. You claim to want to know the race or ethnicity of the perps and pretend that this would be useful information for you. But of course a racial description is not helpful. If the answer is simply “Black” “White” “Hispanic” “Asian” or “Indian” how does this help you? The vast majority (99%+) of teenagers and young adults in each of these groups do not commit strong arm robberies. In fact the descriptions provided…groups of young people loitering and watching people is more than sufficient to trigger suspicion and I might suggest you avoid those groups of any race/ethnicity. Please spew ignorance and bigotry in response while you clean your (compensating much?) gun.

    Comment by Faux curiousity — 11:23 pm April 1, 2014 #

  74. Interesting commentary above from all of my fellow West Seattleites. It does seem odd to me though that not one person has mentioned the obvious. This is what happens when there is a lack of opportunity for young people to work. They cannot buy into the American dream of hard work, and good rewards for that work, because they can’t find a job. Anything short of solving that underlying problem is like trying to fight a swarm of locusts with a fly swatter.

    Comment by Friend O'Dinghus — 12:31 am April 2, 2014 #

  75. I am the victim from the Westwood Village assault. I am OK aside from broken teeth, scrapes and black eyes… I grew up around this neighborhood and it is incredibly angering and sickening to experience this. These kids probably did it for the “thrill” more than anything. Stay safe and prepared out there West Seattleites, and trust your instincts. Report possible gang activity wherever you see it! This is a big problem that has been growing recently…

    Comment by "anonymous" — 2:28 am April 2, 2014 #

  76. I don’t understand the replies about Phillips comments.

    Phillip wrote:

    I support CCW too, but this is not the place to take a stand. Drawing on 7-10 juveniles creates another problem, not resolves one. I don’t envy the kind of person who looks forward to that kind of confrontation with the expectation that (a) his gun will resolve it and (b) he’d relish using it.

    Comment by Phillip — 12:15 pm April 1, 2014 #

    As a responsible gun owner who understands consequences, it boils my blood to see the internet tough guys advocating, hoping, and being excited for murder in self defense. Target range? Give me a break. You’re either posturing or a sociopath. Murdering someone, even when justified, is not something to be proud of. You should be praying to never draw down, not excited for a “shooting range.”

    Eric: Phillip is then painted as some “liberal” that says guns are bad.

    That is not what Phillip said. He was speaking not about guns themselves, but the attitudes of people commenting on this thread with their comments.

    As someone who has a CCW and sometimes carries a gun, I completely agree with Phillip. People are either posturing or have sociopathic tendencies to be speaking about using their guns the way they are.

    I am furious with these punks doing what they are doing, but to suggest target practice? Really?

    I was threatened by one of these wannabe gang bangers claiming “Blood” while reaching under his sweatshirt to imply he had a gun. At the time I did have my gun on me, but I certainly wasn’t looking for my “Dirty Harry” opportunity. Even in the face of one of these punks that makes me furious, the last thing I would want to do is pull out my gun unless absolutely necessary. I was able to keep a distance and called the cops, at which time the person fled.

    Life is not a movie. The fantasies people have in their minds about situations such as this are not reality. This isn’t “A Christmas Story” fantasy where the kid dispatches Black Bart and his gang with his trusty Red Rider BB gun and everyone pats him on the back as a hero. This is real life, with real consequences and even if one is in the right to use lethal force, they will still have to go through a process that will most likely be emotional stressful on many levels.

    Yes, I will protect myself if it comes down to it, but I hope that it will never come down to it. This isn’t the time for “Quick Draw McGraw.”

    Comment by Eric — 5:19 am April 2, 2014 #

  77. BTW, when I was a teenager back in the late 80′s, early 90′s, the junction was a rough place at night. There were groups of punks wandering around there looking for trouble and beating people up and robbing them. So for people to think this is some relatively new phenomena that is happening, it is not. We probably just are hearing about it more because of the blog.

    Comment by Eric — 5:22 am April 2, 2014 #

  78. Friend O’Dingus – no, this is what happens when people have children and refuse to put in the effort to raise them well. There are lots of activities sponsored by the SPS, private schools, Boys & Girls Clubs, etc. Too many self-absorbed “adults” raising feral children.

    Comment by WestofJunction — 5:52 am April 2, 2014 #

  79. Regardless of race or age, if one person or a group of people decide to break the law and target an individual for assault and/or robbery, they need to be aware that their actions and poor decisions may result in justified self-defense and could ultimately end their life if they choose an armed target.

    The problem here begins with a lack of strong parenting; where is the guidance from an adult figure that can tell their kids (13 y.o., 17 y.o.–whatever their age) what the risks are in this type of behavior? Where is a parental figure that can decide that their child should not be out on the streets past a certain hour with a group of unsavory friends?

    I was actually a victim of a strong-arm robbery and assault years ago on Capitol Hill in broad daylight, with tons of witnesses and deterrents around. It happened, and I fought back physically the best I could. I was more concerned about my body and physical safety than my belongings. Ultimately, the person was caught, identified by me, and served 2.5 years for the crime. In thinking back on this, if I had had a weapon and had been trained to use it, then yes, I absolutely would have.

    I honestly don’t personally believe that it is necessary to carry a concealed weapon and it is my choice not to. But having been through that before and feeling at risk for my own life, it is something that I have thought more and more about as things get more violent and intimidating on our streets.

    Would I feel terrible if I took a life, even if it were the life of a young person that made a really bad decision and put my own life at risk? Absolutely…I’d feel awful. But I think that the pro-self defense folks on this string would feel terrible about that too. It’s not that anyone wants target practice or is inviting a confrontation. I think it’s an expression of the frustration that this continues to happen in our city and very little seems to deter it from happening again and again. It makes me angry to think that I have to be ‘afraid and on guard’ all the time in my neighborhood and everywhere else in the city. Intimidation sucks.

    Comment by Kravitz — 6:29 am April 2, 2014 #

  80. ” You claim to want to know the race or ethnicity of the perps and pretend that this would be useful information for you.”

    I have had to call 911 twice in the last 3 years for neighborhood disturbance.

    The FIRST questions they asked me were skin color and if they were wearing any easily identifiable clothing. Believe it or not, this actually helps police.

    Get off your high horse, pal. The more information we have, the better.

    Comment by Smitty — 6:47 am April 2, 2014 #

  81. I was driving down Edmunds/45th a few minutes past 9:00 this particular evening. I noticed 3 black young adults/teenagers running/hiding behind cars just south of the Edmunds/45th intersection.I initially thought they were looking to steal cars so I came to 46th and made a u-turn back up Edmunds.Not sure why I did it but my gut told me they were definitely up to no good. I turned south on 45th and caught up to them now in a sprint across Erskine.I tried to follow them up Hudson but they took off in the shrubs and I think they went back towards 7-11 at this point. All the while, I was thinking that I should call 911 but I had no reason to assume these ‘youths’ were up to no good. My inital reason for following them was to just let them know that they WERE being watched and that whatever they were up to was being documented. This is MY neighborhood and I intend to do what I can to protect it. Having read this post last night made me sick that I didn’t call 911 right away. Even now, the images of these punks is very vague so, again, no real reason to call the police to comment. My husband wasn’t thrilled that I took it upon myself to follow these punks out of our neighborhood but he understands, he would have done the exact same thing had he seen them. The point of my story is that I live in this neighborhood and I intend to continue to do whatever I can to keep it safe and I encourage everyone else to do the same.

    Comment by LH — 6:59 am April 2, 2014 #

  82. That is my point and my front yard. The intersection you were passing LH is mine and frequently used as the getaway from the Junction. I hear and watch the goings on and vehicles pulling up without lights and idling. Maybe okay…maybe not. It is very dark and anyone parking there overnight will be lucky to have the car intact in the morning. We used the front street recently one time and tbe thieves are still trying to charge on our stolen gas cards. I am not exaggerating the risk of living near the Junction. This not debatable. This is our experience here. I’ll spare the details? Thank you immensely LH for your efforts, but do stay safe.

    Comment by BJH — 8:52 am April 2, 2014 #

  83. @LH – The point of your story is that you should call 911. According to SPD Captain Steve Wilske at the WWRHAH meeting last night, the stationing of police officers is based on the number of 911 calls. Calling 911 is not a bad thing, and if your gut is telling you something is wrong, good chance something is wrong.
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    I would remind everyone of our C-Line hero Brandon that had a gun pointed in his face on a bus and disarmed him. Without a gun.

    Comment by AmandaKH — 9:09 am April 2, 2014 #

  84. This is particularly disconcerting as twice in the past 2 weeks a friend of mine wanted a lift from an event to go to the C line (nearest stop being Morgan Junction). I decided instead to take her to the Alaska Junction, since it was more populated and would be presumably safer at that time of night (9-10pm). I also live a few blocks from this bus stop, and don’t want to be afraid to come home late on the bus.
    .
    I do hope that the people involved in these incidents are okay.

    Comment by Sue — 9:42 am April 2, 2014 #

  85. WestofJunction-I don’t disagree with you entirely that a component of the problem is lack of parenting/good role models. However, I would point out that perhaps these teenagers are from a home where one or both parents (if both are still around) are working two jobs to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. Can’t be at the ‘coal mine’ and at home at the same time.
    As for programs for teens, those are all well and good, and I totally support their cause, but we are in a culture that values one thing above all others, and that thing is money. Teenagers are just mirroring adults in this regard. They want the newest games, most sought after shoes; they want status. Money brings status. But if there is no money to be earned, then the drive for status will push them towards joining gangs and taking that status no matter how many afternoon programs are set up to entertain them temporarily.
    A job that pays money so they can buy things they choose is a vital step towards adulthood and keeps them busy and focused in the process. Plus the adults they interact with on those jobs are role models as they make there way.
    The jobs that were available for teens when I was growing up are all now filled by their parents. The allure of joining a gang and hanging out with the bad seeds is a byproduct of that reality. Until we fix that, the system we once knew will be subverted again, and again, and again.

    Comment by Friend O'Dinghus — 10:21 am April 2, 2014 #

  86. BJH,

    If you do not have a block watch, please consider initiating one for your street. Then, as a group you can explore lighting and environmental improvements with your neighbors to discourage sketchy activity.

    You know about the West Seattle Blockwatch Captains’ Network?

    When I was actively working to form this particular group a few years ago, I approached a number of Junction businesses to gauge interest in forming a Business Blockwatch, but I had almost zero support in trying to pull that together at that point in time. I am not a Junction business person, so I was looked at with some suspicion by some. But I did try to get them to call 911 when issues came up. Some said they do, but I remember one business in particular who said, after a shop-lifter was caught, that it’s bad for business.?! Huh? So much for empowered strategies.

    But that was then and this is now. I hope the Junction businesses take it upon themselves to work with the SPD Crime Prevention folks to establish a more organized, regularly scheduled approach. I know crime fighting is not what people have in mind when they open a business, but…times and needs change.

    The West Seattle Blockwatch Captains’ Network is on Facebook.

    Comment by westseattledood — 10:43 am April 2, 2014 #

  87. I definitely respect the right to conceal carry. Some of the comments I’ve read, though, seem like the poster is just itching for a reason to use it. Can’t say I support that.

    Comment by Brenden — 11:22 am April 2, 2014 #

  88. Friend O’Dinghus – Yes, as a society we have moved from status being what one can do to what one has. Spending money is not a talent Too many people (adults) do not have any interests outside of being passively entertained/medicated – and kids see and respond to what they see. Teens getting into trouble is one thing – assaulting and robbing is another. This indicates an extreme lack of empathy towards others.

    Comment by WestofJunction — 11:39 am April 2, 2014 #

  89. @LH; please call 911 or the SW Precinct and tell them what you know/saw that night; the police are experts and may be able to elicit a memory from you that you didn’t even think about or consider important
    ~
    like Amanda said, the police always tell us to call 911; calls to 911 from our neighborhood are counted, so gives us more officer hours
    ~
    all calls for emergency and non-emergency go to same call center and they triage, please don’t worry that it’s not important enough to call; our calls help the police and our neighborhood; there might be a tid bit of info that you can provide that could help police find the other attackers who were not caught down in Westwood the same evening

    Comment by Diane — 1:13 pm April 2, 2014 #

  90. and I agree with Sue; I often take the bus downtown in the evening and come home on the bus late at night; so this is very disconcerting; it’s bad enough at downtown bus stops; I do not want to be afraid in my own neighborhood

    Comment by Diane — 1:15 pm April 2, 2014 #

  91. @anonymous; omg, so sorry to hear the level of physical damage done to your body in this attack; how is it a “thrill” for kids to attack someone viciously enough to break teeth and black eyes; this absolutely sickens me; please reach out if you need any help; and thank you for posting here

    Comment by Diane — 1:25 pm April 2, 2014 #

  92. ok; sifting though the ridiculous amount of comments here debating guns/parenting/density, etc
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    there are many comments with valuable information about what happened that night, and other suspicious activity at other times in WS, but no one calling 911; please people, if you see anything concerning, call 911; and if you were a witness the night of these attacks, please call 911 or go to the SW Precinct and tell the police what you know; it could help catch these attackers
    ~
    and re comments that bus riders at night are all a bunch of “rif-raf”; I most often ride the C-line at night; it is NOT a bunch of criminals riding into our neighborhood; it is mostly working people coming home from their downtown jobs; according to reports, these kids were waiting at the bus stops to follow/attack riders
    ~
    so that night, within a few hours, there were 3 vicious attacks on bus riders at transit centers (35th/Avalon, Alaska junction, Westwood Village); please call police with any information you have about these attacks

    Comment by Diane — 1:56 pm April 2, 2014 #

  93. Prayers and healing to the victims of these attacks.

    Comment by Laura — 2:41 pm April 2, 2014 #

  94. It sounds like westseattle and white center have a lot in commond after all.

    Comment by boy — 3:12 pm April 2, 2014 #

  95. “get off your high horse, pal”

    I will not. I was not referring to a description of people needed to find them. This of course would include height, weight, gender, skin color, tattoos, clothes, age, etc.etc.etc. My comment was to questioners here who asked “why no mention of the race of the attackers” this was not a police question this was a political question meant to fulfill some need to confirm a bias. Note the lack of asking for hair color, presence of tattoos or other identifying marks, questions about the clothing or height or weight. So I will remain high in my saddle and call out the bigots. By the way the thought or statement “I’m not racist” in response to such a challenge is merely confirmation. Please continue to identify yourselves by your responses!

    Comment by Faux Curiosity — 8:25 am April 3, 2014 #

  96. Thank you Faux Curiosity. Well said.
    .
    Smitty, there is clearly a big difference between what the police need to know as they are driving to a situation, and what is useful for everyone who is not actually right there, right then.
    .
    Sheesh, especially when there are posters talking about target practice, etc.
    .
    If you are being followed, or someone appears to be casing your house, etc, you certainly don’t need to cross-reference the race of that person to what was reported here in order to decide whether you should be concerned by a situation and call 911.
    .

    Comment by Community Member — 1:21 pm April 3, 2014 #

  97. “spew ignorance and bigotry in response while you clean your (compensating much?) gun.”
    Comment by Faux curiousity — 11:23 pm April 1, 2014 #

    People who make comments like this, (clean your (compensating much?) gun, often sing a different tune after they’ve had their head knuckled a time or two by criminals at the bus stop. Something, however, tells me you wouldn’t be a fast learner.

    Comment by phil dirt — 9:12 am April 4, 2014 #

  98. I agree wholeheartedly with Faux that asking for a “description” is merely coded language to confirm their inherent bias.

    I also concealed carry, and occasionally commute via bus. I pray I never have to draw – I certainly wouldn’t to protect material possessions, only my safety or the safety of my loved ones.

    Comment by Ron — 12:21 am April 8, 2014 #

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