Comments on: 4755 Fauntleroy alley-vacation showdown at City Hall tomorrow http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/ West Seattle news, 24/7 Sun, 22 Apr 2018 02:31:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.5 By: Ray Krueger http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1260013 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:39:12 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1260013 As a relatively new West Seattle resident living very close to the project in the Fairmount Park neighborhood, I offer my view as a former resident in another city living one mile from a Whole Foods Market (WFM) with a habit of patronizing that store and 2 other national brands at least 3-1/2 miles further. I often drove behind the WFM during the daytime and very rarely noticed a truck at their docks. I don’t consider delivery by semis or smaller delivery vans to be a safety concern. I appreciated their merchandise presented. Hopefully the Junction store will offer an eating area for customers who want to consume the hot food and lunch selections in the store.

Councilmember Sawant’s concern for union workers wellbeing is valid and totally a red herring in your deliberations unless there are actual wage records presented and I’m tired of hearing that red herring.

I am eager to have the WFM in my neighborhood and I will continue to also patronize Trader Joe’s, West Seattle Produce, and QVC. I will learn to schedule my shopping trips to find convenient parking if I don’t walk 1/2 mile.

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By: wetone http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259750 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:35:05 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259750 If alley vacation is approved it should be paid for just as any other property sale not another tax break/write off like the investors are offering. This project will do nothing for W/S except cause more traffic issues. The city (tax payers) just paid roughly $2.2 mil for the properties across the street of this project (west side on 40th) for a new park to be built someday. Measure total alley sqft. with setbacks and charge investor same per sqft. as we paid for park. No more TAX breaks for these people. Put alley property up for sale on open market if vacated and start holding investors more accountable for the problems their causing surrounding neighborhoods and communities.

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By: Jeff http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259706 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:44:24 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259706 “West Seattle is not for sale!!!”

But you are wrong, it IS for sale. You were perfectly welcome to submit a competitive bid to the Huling family so that you could buy this eyesore and leave as is, or make it a park, or whatever higher use you want.

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By: JVP http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259687 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 15:14:43 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259687 What strikes me is that normal West Seattle residents like me, who are in support of the project, have various reasons and arguments for why we like this project.
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GIRFers (I love that term!) all seem to be regurgitating the same spin from the union and using deliberately misleading messages.
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Please don’t let this sit as a rotting, infested parking lot for another 6 years! It’s U G L Y, time to move on with what is a nice looking project.

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By: Sarah http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259659 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:49:07 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259659 I am against this project and it has NOTHING to do with unions (a red herring if there ever was one.) This is about West Seattle being destroyed by huge buildings and out-of-state developers who have no concern for what once was the small town vibe of our community. I’m guessing that few of the supporters are long-time West Seattle residents! If you want your big buildings and big stores you should have stayed in your old neighborhoods!! CALL Tom Rasmussen’s office or email and let him know you are against this Mega-Project. West Seattle is not for sale!!!

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By: McFail http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259656 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:46:24 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259656 Based on the past right of way vacations that were listed (thank you), I see no issues with this project being denied the land. They offer the same or better “public benefit” i.e. contributions and public space. In my experience the “public benefit” examples has never been skewed to consider living wages or traffic impacts. Perhaps they should be it should be reformed formally in the City policy rather than forced on a particular project that now seems controversial. You can thank McGinn for blame the union comments… With that said this project bring density to planned urban village, creates jobs, and provides the means for future development.

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By: Wsrez http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259602 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:46:41 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259602 I’m in 100% support of this project for multiple reasons- I can actually go grocery shopping and have everything I need in one store without having to traverse all over west seattle. We also live very close and believe its a great improvement to the neighborhood. In all honestly, I drive Fauntleroy everyday on my way to infant care and people need to slow down anyway- maybe more delivery trucks will make people realize it’s not a highway but instead, a neighborhood road. The construction going on in the junction is bringing TONS of dump trucks through everyday and they’ve closed off that alley- and done it so local residents and business’ aren’t affected. I have a family member who lives in the LADD that dreaded the construction as it turns out, there has been no issue. I understand that people don’t love change and that west seattle was a one point a sleepy, suburban type neighborhood but with a city experiencing 15-35% growth yearly- it’s bound to be discovered. We shouldn’t be surprised that so many people want to live here- it’s awesome! Traffic will be an issue here until a new transportation alternative exists but until then, the fact that we live in a metropolitan city and can get “downtown in 25-30 minutes sounds dreamy to places like LA, NY, San Francisco and Boston where the commute can be 2 hours each way and it’s still and arm and leg go commute. We live in an urban environment and it’s just the way it is for now. Something I also find interesting is that everyone here seems to commute at exactly the same time. I go downtown Mon, Wed, and Friday for a 9am meeting- always leave at 8:30 and never have trouble. I have NEVER been late. In fact, normally parked and walking in around 8:45-8:50 with time to grab coffee AND I go down 1st which is quite possibly the slowest way to get in with the most amount of lights. It’s not a terrible idea for some people to test out other drive times. Leaving at 7-7:30 is brutal but just a bit later isn’t that bad. Getting it right for west seattle shouldn’t assume that everyone is against this project. I for one am a west seattle business owner who is interested in starting a local business within this complex once it’s done. Small business CAN coexist with big business and in my humble opinion- we should be jumping for joy that they decided to open a socially conscious whole foods rather then another Kroger type company.

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By: Jeff http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259590 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:33:10 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259590 Seems like a formality. City Light has already started moving lines for construction clearance, this project will happen (and I think that’s good).

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By: Seaview http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259546 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:32:21 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259546 In looking at the video clip that illustrates the traffic, makes me think a tunnel or lid for all of in/out Fauntleroy way traffic would have been perfect at the Alaska intersection …but we can’t say tunnel anymore.

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By: WSB http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259273 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:34:36 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259273 It was not a “required meeting of the Design Commission.” The full Design Commission had four meetings on this; we covered them all. It was an administrative followup, described to me before its postponement as an office session with one or two commissioners present, along with staff member(s). (You can see the conditions – administrative review of a couple elements – listed toward the end of the minutes from the project’s final Design Commission review last summer: http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/AppDocs/GroupMeetings/DCReport4755-Fauntleroy-Alley-VacationAgendaID4477.pdf ). The project team says these reviews are not customarily done until after the project has final clearance to move ahead (as in, Council approval) so the meeting will be rescheduled. Most if not all of these types of reviews – Design Commission, Design Review Board – eventually end in recommendations with conditions, in my experience covering virtually every West Seattle project to go before one or both of those groups in the past six-plus years. – TR

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By: repeater repeater repeater http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259250 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:58:22 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259250 Here’s an interesting comment from WSB’s March 7 post about this. There was no response from WSB, but I think it is worth discussion to see if true:

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Thanks WSBlog for the update! However, I think the information and quotes you’ve chosen to highlight miss important aspects. The Design Commission meeting on June 20th ended with an approval PENDING a required Administrative Review meeting with the developers to nail down three outstanding issues – one of them being their continued dissatisfaction with the gateway corner design – which has been an issue since day 1 for Design Review board, Commissioners and community members. The Admin Review was scheduled for last Wednesday and the developers canceled because they weren’t prepared… to date I have not been told when that Admin Review is taking place, so the Design Commission recommendation is not complete.
Secondly, the SDOT refusal to recommend the adequacy of the public benefit is HUGE. Definitely not the norm.

There is much to draw from what’s included… and not included in the final materials sent to City Council.

The Weingarten megaproject is bad for West Seattle, and City Council should deny the alley vacation – why on earth would we sell our public property to developers who can’t even be prepared for a required meeting of the Design Commission when they had 8 months’ notice?

Comment by AlkiGrl — 6:02 pm March 7, 2014 #
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By: kj http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259241 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 05:42:52 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259241 Oh No! An apartment building that is an attractive project And has adequate parking for its residents.

Why are people against this when there are so many other projects going up around here offering neither of these features?

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By: Jeffrey http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259208 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:55:29 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259208 Woohoo WHOLE FOODS… I’m stoked!

And YES the GIRFers DO have ulterior motives. Don’t trust ’em any further than ya can throw them. They are great at misrepresenting facts.

Woohoo… the alley IS going on vacation, and it ain’t coming back!

Me and Clyde are excited about driving to Whole Foods!

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By: David http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259204 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:51:12 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259204 This is not about union or non-union workers. This is about publicly elected officials selling publicly owned land to private citizens with no clear public benefit. Council members represent the public interest, not the private interest.

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By: Sutton http://westseattleblog.com/2014/03/4755-fauntleroy-alley-vacation-showdown-at-city-hall-tomorrow/#comment-1259198 Tue, 11 Mar 2014 04:46:28 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=266652#comment-1259198 Pigeon Point Ben,
I’ll bite.
While you may be focused on a single tenant of the project, I am looking at the larger project as it relates to the further development of West Seattle.
I am both a fiscal conservative and highly progressive person – weirds some people out. I believe the project does what the community asked for (and the City Council passed) in the Triangle Development Plan, by putting development where it ought to be – on transit. It passed through every design control hoop that the city has, and has evolved to meet community requirements.
It brings almost 400 homes, about 400 jobs (mostly retail/service), 670 parking spaces and lots of new taxes for the city! Property taxes, sales taxes, taxes on construction…revenue to pay for things we want like parks, good streets, transit…
My progressive side loves the density being created in the hub of West Seattle – a future walkable, safe, urban community with bike lanes, a garden street and open spaces that will draw more people to the community I love.
My fiscal conservative side says that the developer is paying over $2.4m in benefits to WS, and paying for the land in the alley – just to create a new alley that they have to maintain! Not the city maintaining it – the private landowner. Oh, and the taxes!
So I’m looking through the lenses you asked and seeing a lot I like about this project.
What I don’t like? Special interests that swoop into a land use issue and try to create social change because they don’t like the employment practices of one of the tenants. And another 5-6 years of a run down site in the middle of our lovely community. Time wasted, and likely poorer development because the next landowner will want to create the most profit for the least resistance…

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