Comments on: Seattle Police surveillance cameras in West Seattle and beyond: Mayor promises ‘public vetting’ http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting West Seattle news, information, and discussion, updated multiple times daily, 24/7/365 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:23:18 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: James Day http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-966184 James Day Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:13:43 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-966184 For me the name of the game is transparency. If I am going to allow any public service agency to collect private information (yes, that includes my image)then I expect there to be a well established social, legal and ethical process to review who, how and what limitations are placed on the use of those images. There is way too much secrecy around government spying and what information is now being taken, or how it will be used in the future. The continued prosecution of whistleblowers by the justice department shows a systematic effort at the federal level to suppress public access to information collected by government workers, supposedly performing public duties. Now with the executive authority to execute anyone with no due process or accountability. How long before drones can fire a bullet and drop a body without any evidence, as if they couldn't already? Having worked for federal law enforcement myself, the mentality was already there ten years ago, now they have the technology. For me the name of the game is transparency. If I am going to allow any public service agency to collect private information (yes, that includes my image)then I expect there to be a well established social, legal and ethical process to review who, how and what limitations are placed on the use of those images. There is way too much secrecy around government spying and what information is now being taken, or how it will be used in the future. The continued prosecution of whistleblowers by the justice department shows a systematic effort at the federal level to suppress public access to information collected by government workers, supposedly performing public duties. Now with the executive authority to execute anyone with no due process or accountability. How long before drones can fire a bullet and drop a body without any evidence, as if they couldn’t already? Having worked for federal law enforcement myself, the mentality was already there ten years ago, now they have the technology.

]]> By: ordinaryCitizen http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-966041 ordinaryCitizen Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:41:57 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-966041 Thank you WSB! I wouldn't have known about this important issue if not for your good work. Thank you WSB! I wouldn’t have known about this important issue if not for your good work.

]]> By: WSB http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-966026 WSB Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:51:56 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-966026 OC - I also have a request for comment out to CM Bruce Harrell, who chairs the committee - no response or acknowledgment so far. But we'll keep working on it. OC – I also have a request for comment out to CM Bruce Harrell, who chairs the committee – no response or acknowledgment so far. But we’ll keep working on it.

]]> By: ordinaryCitizen http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-966021 ordinaryCitizen Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:38:29 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-966021 I have started to write to the councilmembers cited as voting for this program asking for their reasoning. I also will request that the mayor and the SPD give a presentation/explanation/justification here in West Seattle. Please support this so we can find out more about their thought process. A lot of them are running for positions again and we should understand their thinking. I have started to write to the councilmembers cited as voting for this program asking for their reasoning. I also will request that the mayor and the SPD give a presentation/explanation/justification here in West Seattle. Please support this so we can find out more about their thought process. A lot of them are running for positions again and we should understand their thinking.

]]> By: Wet Head http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965976 Wet Head Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:53:21 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965976 I hope none of the anti-camera people has the following: a) ski mask b) paint gun I'd hate to think what could happen. I hope none of the anti-camera people has the following:
a) ski mask
b) paint gun

I’d hate to think what could happen.

]]> By: sarelly http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965955 sarelly Tue, 12 Feb 2013 23:16:26 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965955 Yet another reason to stay home, and remain indoors at all times. If you want privacy at home, pull down the shades, stay off the internet, and don't have any body heat. Google my address and you'll find a satellite photograph of me taken without my knowledge or consent. We're already under constant surveillance, which is not to say we should collude with more of the same. Facebook much? Yet another reason to stay home, and remain indoors at all times. If you want privacy at home, pull down the shades, stay off the internet, and don’t have any body heat. Google my address and you’ll find a satellite photograph of me taken without my knowledge or consent. We’re already under constant surveillance, which is not to say we should collude with more of the same. Facebook much?

]]> By: D http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965945 D Tue, 12 Feb 2013 22:03:26 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965945 To cjboffoli, who wishes a camera had recorded who slashed the throat of Gregette Guy and who killed the young woman in Pioneer Square, I instead wish a police officer had been there to prevent such deaths. To cjboffoli, who wishes a camera had recorded who slashed the throat of Gregette Guy and who killed the young woman in Pioneer Square, I instead wish a police officer had been there to prevent such deaths.

]]> By: anti-obstruction http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965936 anti-obstruction Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:31:10 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965936 Well said, Ivan! Well said, Ivan!

]]> By: CE http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965918 CE Tue, 12 Feb 2013 20:10:03 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965918 Stephanie, You must not live down on Alki. People are not being paranoid. There are legitimate concerns and you would have an understanding of what some of them are if you've been reading through all the comments and looking at the links that have been posted. Stephanie,
You must not live down on Alki. People are not being paranoid. There are legitimate concerns and you would have an understanding of what some of them are if you’ve been reading through all the comments and looking at the links that have been posted.

]]> By: stephanie http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965914 stephanie Tue, 12 Feb 2013 19:57:06 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965914 Oh lord. This is a public place. Stop being paranoid! When they want to put cameras in your house then you can get paranoid. Gee whiz people! Oh lord. This is a public place. Stop being paranoid! When they want to put cameras in your house then you can get paranoid. Gee whiz people!

]]> By: Greg http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965885 Greg Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:24:06 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965885 Climate change - heads in sand. Rapid and unabated loss of biodiversity and species extinction - goes unnoticed by 99% of America. Long term financial health of the nation - no one has a plan and we lack political will. Education, or lack thereof in our schools. Gun violence run rampant. Erosion of basic economic underpinnings of our growth economy and resultant income disparity. Lack of functional immigration approach. No real plan to address social/societal underpinnings of radical terrorist organizations. I have no bandwidth to be all worked up about cameras on a busy avenue with a high likelihood for crime. We will be lost for many other reasons before the police have time, energy and the will to be preying on innocent citizens. Climate change – heads in sand. Rapid and unabated loss of biodiversity and species extinction – goes unnoticed by 99% of America. Long term financial health of the nation – no one has a plan and we lack political will. Education, or lack thereof in our schools. Gun violence run rampant. Erosion of basic economic underpinnings of our growth economy and resultant income disparity. Lack of functional immigration approach. No real plan to address social/societal underpinnings of radical terrorist organizations.

I have no bandwidth to be all worked up about cameras on a busy avenue with a high likelihood for crime. We will be lost for many other reasons before the police have time, energy and the will to be preying on innocent citizens.

]]> By: wetone http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965880 wetone Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:10:20 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965880 One by Salty's is across street from water and looks at the trees on water side. Little view of water. One by Salty’s is across street from water and looks at the trees on water side. Little view of water.

]]> By: WSB http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965878 WSB Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:52:01 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965878 The "blacked out" demonstration was from this Seattle Police video in their SPD Blotter post on February 4th, linked in the story we ran that day with the long version of our interview with the assistant chief. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MIg3We8iXbw . Most if not all of the cameras that have been put up so far in West Seattle are within view of residences. Fauntleroy ferry dock, Beach/63rd, the one by the Statue of Liberty Plaza, the one by the Shoremont Apartments further east on Alki, the one by Duwamish Head, the one across from Seacrest ... not entirely sure from memory if the one near Salty's has a residential view. . TR The “blacked out” demonstration was from this Seattle Police video in their SPD Blotter post on February 4th, linked in the story we ran that day with the long version of our interview with the assistant chief.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MIg3We8iXbw
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Most if not all of the cameras that have been put up so far in West Seattle are within view of residences. Fauntleroy ferry dock, Beach/63rd, the one by the Statue of Liberty Plaza, the one by the Shoremont Apartments further east on Alki, the one by Duwamish Head, the one across from Seacrest … not entirely sure from memory if the one near Salty’s has a residential view.
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]]> By: BJ http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965875 BJ Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:45:46 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965875 On the news (don't remember which station) they showed the view from one of the cameras on Alki. You could clearly see the condos, the decks on the condos and houses on Alki. If the cameras can move or zoom in, those residences have lost way too much privacy. The news then showed the view from the camera where the homes and condos would be "blocked out" Really? Hard to believe the city or govt. would take the time to black out that portion of all the photos or video. Maybe if the camera could only see Alki Ave SW, the beach and the water I'd believe their intentions. But if I lived down there I'd be livid at what those cameras can see. On the news (don’t remember which station) they showed the view from one of the cameras on Alki. You could clearly see the condos, the decks on the condos and houses on Alki. If the cameras can move or zoom in, those residences have lost way too much privacy. The news then showed the view from the camera where the homes and condos would be “blocked out” Really? Hard to believe the city or govt. would take the time to black out that portion of all the photos or video. Maybe if the camera could only see Alki Ave SW, the beach and the water I’d believe their intentions. But if I lived down there I’d be livid at what those cameras can see.

]]> By: Phil Mocek http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/seattle-police-surveillance-cameras-in-west-seattle-and-beyond-mayor-promises-public-vetting#comment-965855 Phil Mocek Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:35:21 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=140832#comment-965855 I don't care much about who is watching; I care about the stockpiling of information about the travels of all the good people in an attempt to catch the few bad people. I don’t care much about who is watching; I care about the stockpiling of information about the travels of all the good people in an attempt to catch the few bad people.

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