Comments on: ‘Robust’ discussion of surveillance cameras promised for City Council committee meeting tomorrow http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow West Seattle news, information, and discussion, updated multiple times daily, 24/7/365 Thu, 23 May 2013 20:21:57 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: wetone http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971954 wetone Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:34:12 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971954 Since 9/11/01 city of Seattle has received over 100+ million dollars from Homeland Security. The city and SPD have spent it like a bunch of drunken sailors. With the spend now ask later attitude. The SPD has spent about a 1/4 of that on very expensive equipment for themselves. 2+ mil for 2 boats, millions on specialty vehicles for swat,command center and more. Most these have had to be reworked do to bad design to make them usable but they sure look nice. Add the drones and cameras. We have some very bad decision makers here. Do I feel any safer now ? no. But my freedom and wallet feel smaller. Since 9/11/01 city of Seattle has received over 100+ million dollars from Homeland Security. The city and SPD have spent it like a bunch of drunken sailors. With the spend now ask later attitude. The SPD has spent about a 1/4 of that on very expensive equipment for themselves. 2+ mil for 2 boats, millions on specialty vehicles for swat,command center and more. Most these have had to be reworked do to bad design to make them usable but they sure look nice. Add the drones and cameras. We have some very bad decision makers here. Do I feel any safer now ? no. But my freedom and wallet feel smaller.

]]> By: CE http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971943 CE Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:00:49 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971943 Thanks to Citizen Sane for drawing out, yet again, some of the many reasons that reasonable, law-abiding, people should speak out about these cameras. Hope a force of people are able to show up at today's meeting despite the mid-day scheduling. Thanks to Citizen Sane for drawing out, yet again, some of the many reasons that reasonable, law-abiding, people should speak out about these cameras. Hope a force of people are able to show up at today’s meeting despite the mid-day scheduling.

]]> By: Ordinary_Citizen http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971924 Ordinary_Citizen Wed, 20 Feb 2013 16:09:59 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971924 @Citizen, I am not a criminal. In fact I think I am a rather good citizen. I don't condone criminal behavior, I don't have punk teenagers, but I am very much against how these cameras were installed and probably were about to be used (without public vetting and information, and policies to ensure no abuse of the data.) @Citizen, I am not a criminal. In fact I think I am a rather good citizen. I don’t condone criminal behavior, I don’t have punk teenagers, but I am very much against how these cameras were installed and probably were about to be used (without public vetting and information, and policies to ensure no abuse of the data.)

]]> By: Greg http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971586 Greg Wed, 20 Feb 2013 06:24:29 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971586 Pretty funny how those who so vigorously assert their constitutional rights to privacy in a setting where the Supreme Court has ruled you don't have one are so quick to try and drown out another American exercising his 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech and expression bu suggesting Citizen Sane should move to Russia etc, etc. We've got real problems to solve in this country; and the world. A municipal police department adding some surveillance cameras in public settings to all the cameras already out there; that they can access if necessary, is not one of them. Pretty funny how those who so vigorously assert their constitutional rights to privacy in a setting where the Supreme Court has ruled you don’t have one are so quick to try and drown out another American exercising his 1st Amendment right to freedom of speech and expression bu suggesting Citizen Sane should move to Russia etc, etc.

We’ve got real problems to solve in this country; and the world. A municipal police department adding some surveillance cameras in public settings to all the cameras already out there; that they can access if necessary, is not one of them.

]]> By: anti-obstruction http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971560 anti-obstruction Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:50:00 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971560 I'm not a young person, nor paricularly computer-savvy or down with the high-tech lingo (can you tell?!?) but I'm thnking the term "troll" is appropriate for Citizen Sane. If, by chance, you actually believe what you posted, I'd also suggest you are quite the opposite of "sane". I abhor the crime we read about everyday, here on WSB, in the Seattle Times, and nationwide...I also abhor the idea of having our every public move watched by "someone". Ever heard of or read George Orwell's "1984"? Ever heard of or read the Bill of Rights or the US Constitution? I’m not a young person, nor paricularly computer-savvy or down with the high-tech lingo (can you tell?!?) but I’m thnking the term “troll” is appropriate for Citizen Sane.
If, by chance, you actually believe what you posted, I’d also suggest you are quite the opposite of “sane”.
I abhor the crime we read about everyday, here on WSB, in the Seattle Times, and nationwide…I also abhor the idea of having our every public move watched by “someone”.
Ever heard of or read George Orwell’s “1984″?
Ever heard of or read the Bill of Rights or the US Constitution?

]]> By: datamuse http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971507 datamuse Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:10:36 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971507 Citizen Sane, ever been to Tienanmen Square? Just wondering. Citizen Sane, ever been to Tienanmen Square?

Just wondering.

]]> By: Tracy White http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971491 Tracy White Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:58:50 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971491 I am generally supportive of police, but Citizen Sane is wrong on this one. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to be against these cameras. Police officers are human too, and there have been many cases of abuse of power when given unfettered access to surveillance systems. Given the loosening of requirements for warrants and surveillance, it is very possible to have one's privacy and freedom's violated. http://www.copwatch.org/sheehanmichigandatabase.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/dc/dcpolice/stories/stowe25.htm http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2011/12/surveillance-cameras-threat-police-privacy/806/ We need checks and balances. I am generally supportive of police, but Citizen Sane is wrong on this one. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to be against these cameras. Police officers are human too, and there have been many cases of abuse of power when given unfettered access to surveillance systems. Given the loosening of requirements for warrants and surveillance, it is very possible to have one’s privacy and freedom’s violated.
http://www.copwatch.org/sheehanmichigandatabase.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/library/dc/dcpolice/stories/stowe25.htm
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2011/12/surveillance-cameras-threat-police-privacy/806/

We need checks and balances.

]]> By: rick http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971477 rick Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:44:17 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971477 @Citizen -You shouldn't be so quick to judge people you don't know. Unless you are a judge. @Citizen -You shouldn’t be so quick to judge people you don’t know. Unless you are a judge.

]]> By: Chuck and Sally's Van Man http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971476 Chuck and Sally's Van Man Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:44:07 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971476 @Citizen Sane: There's a place for people who give up their personal freedoms so easily; I hear Russia is nice this time of year. All the meteorites say so. Please--go there now. @Citizen Sane: There’s a place for people who give up their personal freedoms so easily; I hear Russia is nice this time of year. All the meteorites say so. Please–go there now.

]]> By: LongTimer WS http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971464 LongTimer WS Wed, 20 Feb 2013 04:22:47 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971464 Citizen Sane: We really do not want to live in a police state. There must be a way to protect our privacy AND conduct some surveillance. Maybe that means no cameras. No drones. But somehow the folks that provide security and enforce our laws need some leeway. Presently judges provide that as a review check before law enforcement can act. Maybe it is this part of the equation that needs to be strengthened. Citizen Sane: We really do not want to live in a police state. There must be a way to protect our privacy AND conduct some surveillance. Maybe that means no cameras. No drones. But somehow the folks that provide security and enforce our laws need some leeway. Presently judges provide that as a review check before law enforcement can act. Maybe it is this part of the equation that needs to be strengthened.

]]> By: john http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971446 john Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:45:58 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971446 It's a little late now! to realize you don't want to live in a police state ,I mean It’s a little late now! to realize you don’t want to live in a police state ,I mean

]]> By: Citizen Sane http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971422 Citizen Sane Wed, 20 Feb 2013 03:00:49 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971422 Turn the cameras on already. Only those who condone criminal behavior, or are themselves criminals, or who have punk teenagers, are against these cameras. Turn the cameras on already. Only those who condone criminal behavior, or are themselves criminals, or who have punk teenagers, are against these cameras.

]]> By: Ordinary_Citizen http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/robust-discussion-of-surveillance-cameras-promised-for-city-council-committee-meeting-tomorrow#comment-971379 Ordinary_Citizen Wed, 20 Feb 2013 01:15:45 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=141976#comment-971379 I hope we get as much response and outrage and a good vetting of the issue as the drones got. I don't want to live in a police state. I hope we get as much response and outrage and a good vetting of the issue as the drones got. I don’t want to live in a police state.

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