Comments on: New Seattle Police cameras: Q/A with the assistant chief in charge http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge West Seattle news, information, and discussion, updated multiple times daily, 24/7/365 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:39:58 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: a little bird http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-964003 a little bird Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:51:56 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-964003 Why is the SPD involving itself in other jurisdictions, e.g. the port police, the coast guard? They are not telling the whole story. Why is the SPD involving itself in other jurisdictions, e.g. the port police, the coast guard? They are not telling the whole story.

]]> By: Mike http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963829 Mike Wed, 06 Feb 2013 03:19:20 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963829 Neighbor, you obviously were born in 2008. Neighbor, you obviously were born in 2008.

]]> By: Neighbor http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963746 Neighbor Tue, 05 Feb 2013 21:35:00 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963746 @ Mike-the thing with treason is that it has to be proven by a court of law. This new little nugget reveals that the government has absolutely no reason to provide any justification to killing a US citizen, other than someone deemed him/her a threat. If this doesn't strike you as stunningly anti-American then perhaps you should review what the Revolutionary War was about.This administration has gone where no other administration has, murdering US citizens including a 16 year old child the day after killing his father. No trial, no jury, just a single man, if we are to believe it is indeed Obama who gave the kill order. Why would any American who loves thier country think is lawful under our Constitutiion? @ Phil- thank you, you rock! @ Mike-the thing with treason is that it has to be proven by a court of law. This new little nugget reveals that the government has absolutely no reason to provide any justification to killing a US citizen, other than someone deemed him/her a threat. If this doesn’t strike you as stunningly anti-American then perhaps you should review what the Revolutionary War was about.This administration has gone where no other administration has, murdering US citizens including a 16 year old child the day after killing his father. No trial, no jury, just a single man, if we are to believe it is indeed Obama who gave the kill order. Why would any American who loves thier country think is lawful under our Constitutiion?

@ Phil- thank you, you rock!

]]> By: Mike http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963734 Mike Tue, 05 Feb 2013 20:58:35 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963734 CE, hate to tell you but even without the recent scare tactic in the media, treason has always had a penalty of death if the government feels you deserve it. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381 CE, hate to tell you but even without the recent scare tactic in the media, treason has always had a penalty of death if the government feels you deserve it.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381

]]> By: gatewooder http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963704 gatewooder Tue, 05 Feb 2013 18:17:23 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963704 Hopefully the camera network will fill in some of the empty spots on our public waterfront. Maybe that will make those feeling they have the need the privacy to discharge weapons on Alki Beach think twice before they squeeze the trigger. Hopefully the camera network will fill in some of the empty spots on our public waterfront. Maybe that will make those feeling they have the need the privacy to discharge weapons on Alki Beach think twice before they squeeze the trigger.

]]> By: CE http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963651 CE Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:47:16 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963651 Thank you WSB for your work on this story and getting it posted. Thank you WSB for your work on this story and getting it posted.

]]> By: CE http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963650 CE Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:38:03 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963650 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/us/politics/us-memo-details-views-on-killing-citizens-in-al-qaeda.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130205&_r=1& This article from the Times today highlights why we should be concerned about our growing lack of privacy. Any American citizen the government deems an imminent terrorist threat can be lawfully killed by the government without a trial. Who gets to decide who is a threat? We are on a slippery slope. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/us/politics/us-memo-details-views-on-killing-citizens-in-al-qaeda.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130205&_r=1&

This article from the Times today highlights why we should be concerned about our growing lack of privacy. Any American citizen the government deems an imminent terrorist threat can be lawfully killed by the government without a trial. Who gets to decide who is a threat? We are on a slippery slope.

]]> By: Greg http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963646 Greg Tue, 05 Feb 2013 15:12:52 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963646 This reeks of privacy concerns. "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -Ben Franklin This reeks of privacy concerns.

“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” -Ben Franklin

]]> By: Phil Mocek http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963559 Phil Mocek Tue, 05 Feb 2013 08:29:44 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963559 I also <a href="https://www.muckrock.com/foi/seattle-69/seattle-police-wireless-mesh-surveillance-network-steering-committee-2746/" rel="nofollow">requested</a> the following public records: * roster of members of the wireless mesh surveillance camera network steering committee, * agendas for meetings of the committee, * minutes of meetings of the committee, * e-mail, memos, and other correspondence between the steering committee and Paul A. McDonagh #4708 and/or Monty E. Moss #5598 of Seattle Police Department, * and E-mail, memos, and other correspondence to or from Paul McDonagh and/or Monty Moss regarding the wireless mesh network or components thereof, along with any associated metadata. I also requested the following public records:

* roster of members of the wireless mesh surveillance camera network steering committee,
* agendas for meetings of the committee,
* minutes of meetings of the committee,
* e-mail, memos, and other correspondence between the steering committee and Paul A. McDonagh #4708 and/or Monty E. Moss #5598 of Seattle Police Department,
* and E-mail, memos, and other correspondence to or from Paul McDonagh and/or Monty Moss regarding the wireless mesh network or components thereof,
along with any associated metadata.

]]> By: Mike http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963527 Mike Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:47:04 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963527 2 thoughts . 1) DHS has some reasoning for installation of these cameras, and you'll never get to know why. . 2) DHS needed to use funds before 2012 budgets were being analyzed to provide funds for 2013 budgets and this was a quick way to use up funds so they get the full amount for 2013. (It's not a joke, that's how crap works) 2 thoughts
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1) DHS has some reasoning for installation of these cameras, and you’ll never get to know why.
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2) DHS needed to use funds before 2012 budgets were being analyzed to provide funds for 2013 budgets and this was a quick way to use up funds so they get the full amount for 2013. (It’s not a joke, that’s how crap works)

]]> By: Phil Mocek http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963518 Phil Mocek Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:12:09 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963518 Flynlo wrote, <i>"Things that I would like to see published by SPD. Who manufactures the camera? What is the model number and specifications of the camera? Who is making the “mesh network” & what protocols are they are using? This info."</i> On January 30, I <a href="https://www.muckrock.com/foi/seattle-69/seattle-police-dept-alki-beach-public-surveillance-camera-docs-2632/" rel="nofollow">filed a public records request</a> for "purchase orders, maintenance contracts, owner's manuals, installation manuals, service manuals, technical specifications, usage policies, data access procedures, and data retention policies for the public surveillance cameras recently installed on Alki Beach in Seattle, along with all associated metadata." SPD's estimated date of completion is March 16. Interested parties can track this request at the link I provided, where the records will be posted when provided. Flynlo wrote, “Things that I would like to see published by SPD. Who manufactures the camera? What is the model number and specifications of the camera? Who is making the “mesh network” & what protocols are they are using? This info.”

On January 30, I filed a public records request for “purchase orders, maintenance contracts, owner’s manuals, installation manuals, service manuals, technical specifications, usage policies, data access procedures, and data retention policies for the public surveillance cameras recently installed on Alki Beach in Seattle, along with all associated metadata.” SPD’s estimated date of completion is March 16. Interested parties can track this request at the link I provided, where the records will be posted when provided.

]]> By: cwit http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963516 cwit Tue, 05 Feb 2013 06:07:01 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963516 How are we even going to be sure they're actually using that masking he's speaking of? Are they going to publish screencaptures of all the cameras? They changed the positions of the cameras on Alki because people could see that it was facing the wrong way but I wonder how long it would have taken had no citizens brought that to their attention. How are we even going to be sure they’re actually using that masking he’s speaking of? Are they going to publish screencaptures of all the cameras?

They changed the positions of the cameras on Alki because people could see that it was facing the wrong way but I wonder how long it would have taken had no citizens brought that to their attention.

]]> By: bolo http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963515 bolo Tue, 05 Feb 2013 05:59:25 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963515 A lot of non-answers to simple (yet important) questions. That must have been frustrating. The evasive answers can also lead one to an alternate theory: These are actually fake cameras, installed in plain view to deter crime (like the kind we buy to put over the garage door, etc.) and they had to ad-lib an explanation that would keep the public thinking that the cameras are actually functional. I don't really buy that theory but then, I keep thinking, "How can they not know the answers to these simple questions?" It's starting to really bother me. A lot of non-answers to simple (yet important) questions. That must have been frustrating. The evasive answers can also lead one to an alternate theory: These are actually fake cameras, installed in plain view to deter crime (like the kind we buy to put over the garage door, etc.) and they had to ad-lib an explanation that would keep the public thinking that the cameras are actually functional. I don’t really buy that theory but then, I keep thinking, “How can they not know the answers to these simple questions?” It’s starting to really bother me.

]]> By: me http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963513 me Tue, 05 Feb 2013 05:47:24 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963513 @TR I can email you the information that "flynio" requested above, if you like. @TR
I can email you the information that “flynio” requested above, if you like.

]]> By: Anne http://westseattleblog.com/2013/02/new-seattle-police-cameras-qa-with-the-assistant-chief-in-charge#comment-963512 Anne Tue, 05 Feb 2013 05:47:13 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=139649#comment-963512 I don't think cameras will necessarily PREVENT a crime but get a grip folks-they can sure be used as a tool to identify someone who commits one. In the London incident-weren't the cameras used to help identify some the people responsible??-Isn't that a good thing-I think it is. I don’t think cameras will necessarily PREVENT a crime but get a grip folks-they can sure be used as a tool to identify someone who commits one. In the London incident-weren’t the cameras used to help identify some the people responsible??-Isn’t that a good thing-I think it is.

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