Comments on: Wondering about new cameras along Alki? Seattle Police project http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project West Seattle news, information, and discussion, updated multiple times daily, 24/7/365 Tue, 21 May 2013 03:09:04 +0200 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: The Farm http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962662 The Farm Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:59:26 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962662 This is what happens when you "vote" in more government. It is the "way" of our nation...we give up more and more to be "protected and taken care of." When you vote, do you have the big picture or are you voting for your concerns only? This is what happens when you “vote” in more government. It is the “way” of our nation…we give up more and more to be “protected and taken care of.” When you vote, do you have the big picture or are you voting for your concerns only?

]]> By: cj http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962507 cj Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:20:14 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962507 I think what bothers me most is the lack of info. IMO any area with cameras should inform those in the area that they are being watched. I think what bothers me most is the lack of info. IMO any area with cameras should inform those in the area that they are being watched.

]]> By: WTF! http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962324 WTF! Thu, 31 Jan 2013 22:52:51 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962324 WTF!!!!!!!!!!! thats what i have to say to this and so should the 99% what happened? really? WTF!!!!!!!!!!! thats what i have to say to this and so should the 99% what happened? really?

]]> By: me http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962276 me Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:58:17 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962276 Unfortunatly, I think some people are so tied up in their self absorbed lives and are so concerned about “now”, they lack the foresight to see that everything we do now, or don’t do, will affect the future of our society. The fight to protect and maintain our rights is not for the benefit of you or me, it is for our kids and their kids. Unfortunatly, I think some people are so tied up in their self absorbed lives and are so concerned about “now”, they lack the foresight to see that everything we do now, or don’t do, will affect the future of our society. The fight to protect and maintain our rights is not for the benefit of you or me, it is for our kids and their kids.

]]> By: Heath http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962264 Heath Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:53:08 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962264 Brandon, are you comfortable with that? I'm not trying to be an argumentative troll but I'm really curious about people's attitude about their ever dwindling rights and privacy. Every day we seem to accept more and more intrusions on our privacy in the name of safety. What does that teach our children? Are we okay with them learning in school that they have no right to privacy in their person or possessions? Is that conditioning them to accept this way of life so they won't object when there are checkpoints around the city and state. I don't know. I'm not some whacko NWO Illuminatti but I'm darn sure I don't want to be surveiled and I don't want my child searched unless there's reasonable suspicion if a crime. Brandon, are you comfortable with that? I’m not trying to be an argumentative troll but I’m really curious about people’s attitude about their ever dwindling rights and privacy. Every day we seem to accept more and more intrusions on our privacy in the name of safety. What does that teach our children? Are we okay with them learning in school that they have no right to privacy in their person or possessions? Is that conditioning them to accept this way of life so they won’t object when there are checkpoints around the city and state. I don’t know. I’m not some whacko NWO Illuminatti but I’m darn sure I don’t want to be surveiled and I don’t want my child searched unless there’s reasonable suspicion if a crime.

]]> By: me http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962262 me Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:49:31 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962262 @Brandon You are so incorrect. Please educate yourself on what your rights REALLY are so as not to give them up so easily http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=392-400-215 http://www.aclu-wa.org/library_files/Guide%20for%20Public%20School%20Students.pdf See page 36 @Brandon

You are so incorrect. Please educate yourself on what your rights REALLY are so as not to give them up so easily
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=392-400-215

http://www.aclu-wa.org/library_files/Guide%20for%20Public%20School%20Students.pdf
See page 36

]]> By: Brandon http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962257 Brandon Thu, 31 Jan 2013 18:21:35 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962257 One comment, Heath asked earlier if we would object to kids being searched etc at school. That already happens, anything brought into a school or stored in a locker is subject to search. Schools do not need to follow the same rules for illegal searches. They are all legal even if they have no cause. One comment, Heath asked earlier if we would object to kids being searched etc at school. That already happens, anything brought into a school or stored in a locker is subject to search. Schools do not need to follow the same rules for illegal searches. They are all legal even if they have no cause.

]]> By: Westseattledood http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962165 Westseattledood Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:48:45 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962165 I saw them installing one on Alki four weeks ago. I asked the crew what they were putting on the pole. One guy said wifi. I asked was it a cell provider expanding to 4LTE. He said, " It's Big Brother - the city," laughing nervously and shaking his head at how creepy it was. He said an official announcement would be made soon. He didn't seem to care much for it. So I have pondered this since. King County and the cities have a gang problem. An under-reported, serious fricking problem. What good tools for gathering evidence exist? Gang culture operates so witnesses are under duress of being tagged as snitches. Criminals within gangs and the like will not be found, convicted and incarcerated without some assistance from SOMEwhere - these cameras are tools of desperation, but that is the level of infiltration of these criminals. Tragic, but we can't put our heads in the sand about this. If people object to surveillance cameras with a highly specifuc target, then make damn sure law enforcement is provided the funds for more officers. Southwest Seattle, Burien and into South King County and eastward have gangs and there HAS to be measures taken to give some high-powered push back. Give the experiment a trial period or offer money to LE to pay more salaries. I saw them installing one on Alki four weeks ago. I asked the crew what they were putting on the pole. One guy said wifi. I asked was it a cell provider expanding to 4LTE. He said, ” It’s Big Brother – the city,” laughing nervously and shaking his head at how creepy it was. He said an official announcement would be made soon. He didn’t seem to care much for it.

So I have pondered this since.

King County and the cities have a gang problem. An under-reported, serious fricking problem. What good tools for gathering evidence exist? Gang culture operates so witnesses are under duress of being tagged as snitches. Criminals within gangs and the like will not be found, convicted and incarcerated without some assistance from SOMEwhere – these cameras are tools of desperation, but that is the level of infiltration of these criminals. Tragic, but we can’t put our heads in the sand about this.

If people object to surveillance cameras with a highly specifuc target, then make damn sure law enforcement is provided the funds for more officers.

Southwest Seattle, Burien and into South King County and eastward have gangs and there HAS to be measures taken to give some high-powered push back.

Give the experiment a trial period or offer money to LE to pay more salaries.

]]> By: J http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962138 J Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:40:41 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962138 Anyone hear of the Patriot Act? Cameras at ATMs, 7 Eleven, Safeway, every single financial institution in the country, the women's bathroom at the Cinerama?? Everett has had cameras in downtown for decades. We are being listened to and watched ALL THE TIME. Whoop de do. Americans love to be watched, that's why there are so many reality TV shows. Please for the love of god do not pretend like that isn't true. Public and private are opposites of each other. I'm shocked at how many people don't know that. I am way more scared about that than another camera. I really don't want to see you naked or taking a dump (because those are things done in private, right?). Anyone hear of the Patriot Act? Cameras at ATMs, 7 Eleven, Safeway, every single financial institution in the country, the women’s bathroom at the Cinerama??

Everett has had cameras in downtown for decades. We are being listened to and watched ALL THE TIME. Whoop de do.

Americans love to be watched, that’s why there are so many reality TV shows. Please for the love of god do not pretend like that isn’t true.

Public and private are opposites of each other. I’m shocked at how many people don’t know that. I am way more scared about that than another camera. I really don’t want to see you naked or taking a dump (because those are things done in private, right?).

]]> By: Mike http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962129 Mike Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:48:48 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962129 Meanwhile DARPA has a 1.8billion pixel camera. These being installed suck in comparison to what the fed sees you with. Meanwhile DARPA has a 1.8billion pixel camera. These being installed suck in comparison to what the fed sees you with.

]]> By: Chuck and Sally's Van Man http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962114 Chuck and Sally's Van Man Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:56:46 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962114 @greasyrider: If you think a camera will deter crime, you deserve the crime you get. How about we actually have more cops walking a beat and getting out of their patrol cars? Yeah, badges cost money. But this surveillance plan is just a cheap bandaid that robs us all of our freedom and dignity. Wake up people! @greasyrider: If you think a camera will deter crime, you deserve the crime you get. How about we actually have more cops walking a beat and getting out of their patrol cars? Yeah, badges cost money. But this surveillance plan is just a cheap bandaid that robs us all of our freedom and dignity. Wake up people!

]]> By: greasyrider http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962110 greasyrider Thu, 31 Jan 2013 06:31:41 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962110 Certain areas in Seattle attract aimless young adults that vandalize or commit random acts of violence on a regular basis. That is a problem, this technology seems like a reasonable solution if it truly does deter or help apprehend the next idiot that thinks messing with the statue of Liberty is a good idea. Many of you have thought about buying one of those Costco security camera systems after you or your neighbor had their stuff stolen, burgled, vandalized etc. Why?, because it's likely to happen again and you want to catch the bad guys. This system is the same only way better it has actual police officers monitoring it. Hot summer nights at Alki always seem to get the locals worked up and demanding more patrols or some kind of crime prevention well now you have it. Maybe you can learn to take some comfort in knowing that when you're sitting on a park bench you'll be a little less likely to be shot in the back of the head or that if you are the shooter will more likely be caught. Certain areas in Seattle attract aimless young adults that vandalize or commit random acts of violence on a regular basis. That is a problem, this technology seems like a reasonable solution if it truly does deter or help apprehend the next idiot that thinks messing with the statue of Liberty is a good idea. Many of you have thought about buying one of those Costco security camera systems after you or your neighbor had their stuff stolen, burgled, vandalized etc. Why?, because it’s likely to happen again and you want to catch the bad guys. This system is the same only way better it has actual police officers monitoring it. Hot summer nights at Alki
always seem to get the locals worked up and demanding more patrols or some kind of crime prevention well now you have it.
Maybe you can learn to take some comfort in knowing that when you’re sitting on a park bench you’ll be a little less likely to be shot in the back of the head or that if you are the shooter will more likely be caught.

]]> By: McGruff http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962095 McGruff Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:03:18 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962095 Put me in the 'so what?' camp on this one. I suspect a large percentage of the 'right of privacy' posters here might be a bit more flexible about this if they were the victim of a crime, and the cameras help facilitate the rapid apprehension of the criminal. If one of these cameras was over at Emma Schmitz park, Gregette Guy's killer might be in custody now, or maybe even been intercepted before he (or she) could've struck. . I know I'm gonna get a lot of flak for this, but I wonder if many of the folks who are upset about surveillance cameras, red light cameras, speeder-catching cams, etc., are actually just mad at the heightened prospect of being held accountable for their own behavior? . Each summer, Alki seems to get more and more out of control as gangbangers and other assorted riff-raff come down and make it so bad that residents like myself just avoid the area on the weekends, and look forward to Monday just so we can take our beach back from the weekend's 'occupation forces'. . The cameras are simply a tool that helps our undermanned SPD be more effective, and if the feeling that they're being watched makes the thugs go elsewhere, I for one am all for it. BTW, in London, much of public space is covered by CCTV, and our British friends are no less free for it. Just a thought. Put me in the ‘so what?’ camp on this one. I suspect a large percentage of the ‘right of privacy’ posters here might be a bit more flexible about this if they were the victim of a crime, and the cameras help facilitate the rapid apprehension of the criminal. If one of these cameras was over at Emma Schmitz park, Gregette Guy’s killer might be in custody now, or maybe even been intercepted before he (or she) could’ve struck.
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I know I’m gonna get a lot of flak for this, but I wonder if many of the folks who are upset about surveillance cameras, red light cameras, speeder-catching cams, etc., are actually just mad at the heightened prospect of being held accountable for their own behavior?
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Each summer, Alki seems to get more and more out of control as gangbangers and other assorted riff-raff come down and make it so bad that residents like myself just avoid the area on the weekends, and look forward to Monday just so we can take our beach back from the weekend’s ‘occupation forces’.
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The cameras are simply a tool that helps our undermanned SPD be more effective, and if the feeling that they’re being watched makes the thugs go elsewhere, I for one am all for it. BTW, in London, much of public space is covered by CCTV, and our British friends are no less free for it. Just a thought.

]]> By: JayDee http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962081 JayDee Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:03:18 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962081 Higgins and J: Don't know where you live in West Seattle, but I never see police foot patrols in Alki, along Admiral, Beach drive, Harbor Drive. They may cruise by in cars but those are in range for 1-5 seconds. - How about 24/7 with a weeks worth of memory for everything the camera is looking at. "Sure, we'd have residential block outs"? Really, how? Do any of the camera in place have fogged out windows? (No). Why would they? If I lived in the third floor of a condo on beach drive I would wonder. If I did see police patrols I would be shocked, but better yet, I could go out and ask: what is up? Not with a camera. Are there remote operators? (Sorry that isn't public information). The Constitution may not have anticipated cameras, but it didn't anticipate much. But it or the Bill of Rights said: Life Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Or was that constant surveillance? Higgins and J:

Don’t know where you live in West Seattle, but I never see police foot patrols in Alki, along Admiral, Beach drive, Harbor Drive. They may cruise by in cars but those are in range for 1-5 seconds.
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How about 24/7 with a weeks worth of memory for everything the camera is looking at. “Sure, we’d have residential block outs”? Really, how? Do any of the camera in place have fogged out windows? (No). Why would they? If I lived in the third floor of a condo on beach drive I would wonder.

If I did see police patrols I would be shocked, but better yet, I could go out and ask: what is up? Not with a camera. Are there remote operators? (Sorry that isn’t public information). The Constitution may not have anticipated cameras, but it didn’t anticipate much. But it or the Bill of Rights said: Life Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Or was that constant surveillance?

]]> By: wetone http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/wondering-about-new-cameras-along-alki-seattle-police-project#comment-962042 wetone Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:25:57 +0000 http://westseattleblog.com/?p=138995#comment-962042 Well I just got in from my walk at the beach and noticed the camera on Alki & 61st. It is installed on the beach side light pole facing the apartments and businesses, NOT THE WATER. Must be the same city engineering group involved with this project as our NEW TRANSFER STATION(might take another year and millions to fix all problems). Can't wait to hear how wide spread and all the cost involved with this surveillance/security camera project when it's all said and done. I can see why my taxes keep going up. Well I just got in from my walk at the beach and noticed the camera on Alki & 61st. It is installed on the beach side light pole facing the apartments and businesses, NOT THE WATER. Must be the same city engineering group involved with this project as our NEW TRANSFER STATION(might take another year and millions to fix all problems). Can’t wait to hear how wide spread and all the cost involved with this surveillance/security camera project when it’s all said and done. I can see why my taxes keep going up.

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