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	<title>Comments on: Next chance to help at Nickelsville: Camp cleanup this weekend</title>
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		<title>By: miws</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-956059</link>
		<dc:creator>miws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel very fortunate to be living inside, warm, and safe during these exceptionally cold days and nights.

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I sincerely hope that the critics on this comment thread feel the same for themselves.....

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Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel very fortunate to be living inside, warm, and safe during these exceptionally cold days and nights.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that the critics on this comment thread feel the same for themselves&#8230;..</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955999</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 06:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of talking with campers...
They managed to use all of the concrete blocks the city provided today and won&#039;t be able to build more raised platforms until more blocks are delivered this week.
Tomorrow will be strictly clean-,up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of talking with campers&#8230;<br />
They managed to use all of the concrete blocks the city provided today and won&#8217;t be able to build more raised platforms until more blocks are delivered this week.<br />
Tomorrow will be strictly clean-,up.</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955997</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 06:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete..
I don&#039;t just drive by..I walk in and stop to talk with the people living there. It&#039;s amazing how much that changes your perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete..<br />
I don&#8217;t just drive by..I walk in and stop to talk with the people living there. It&#8217;s amazing how much that changes your perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955975</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 04:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey JoB, guess where it doesnt flood?  -east of the pass.  why dont you help them move over there?  i drive by that dump everyday, and there is nothing good coming out of that place.  im sure not everyone in there is an arch-criminal, but everyone in there needs to find another place to &quot;reside&quot;.  by the way, the request is to &quot;clean up&quot;, not build more semi-permanent structures that will inevitably be left in a pile of debris when they move out.  they ought to be able to clean up their own mess, i do, and i presume you do (unless you are the guy at the end of my street with all the garbage in front of his house).  and why the hell do they have goats??  if you cant take care of yourself, why do you have farm animals?  im sure that improves the sanitation of the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey JoB, guess where it doesnt flood?  -east of the pass.  why dont you help them move over there?  i drive by that dump everyday, and there is nothing good coming out of that place.  im sure not everyone in there is an arch-criminal, but everyone in there needs to find another place to &#8220;reside&#8221;.  by the way, the request is to &#8220;clean up&#8221;, not build more semi-permanent structures that will inevitably be left in a pile of debris when they move out.  they ought to be able to clean up their own mess, i do, and i presume you do (unless you are the guy at the end of my street with all the garbage in front of his house).  and why the hell do they have goats??  if you cant take care of yourself, why do you have farm animals?  im sure that improves the sanitation of the environment.</p>
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		<title>By: miws</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955946</link>
		<dc:creator>miws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 01:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The reason you’re not hearing from supporters is that they are busy helping others and not whining on the blog all the time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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For.

The.

Win.

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Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The reason you’re not hearing from supporters is that they are busy helping others and not whining on the blog all the time.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>For.</p>
<p>The.</p>
<p>Win.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955935</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 00:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Highland park don&#039;t deny that there are people at Nickelsville who engage in illegal behavior... I imagine there more than a few in your neighborhood too...

But lumping all of the people at Nickelsville I in the those bums don&#039;t deserve help from decent folks category only makes it harder for those residents who want to clean the camp up to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highland park don&#8217;t deny that there are people at Nickelsville who engage in illegal behavior&#8230; I imagine there more than a few in your neighborhood too&#8230;</p>
<p>But lumping all of the people at Nickelsville I in the those bums don&#8217;t deserve help from decent folks category only makes it harder for those residents who want to clean the camp up to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955925</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason you&#039;re not hearing from supporters is that they are busy helping others and not whining on the blog all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason you&#8217;re not hearing from supporters is that they are busy helping others and not whining on the blog all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Highland Park Resident</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955867</link>
		<dc:creator>Highland Park Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a regular, and I am sure that there are decent people in Tent City.  I have been a silent watcher for the last couple of years as the site has grown, and I have tried to avoid the sort of NIMBYism that would present itself in more affluent neighborhoods.

But there are people there who are hurting our community, and enabling them is not helping.  This high-minded &quot;compassion&quot; of which you speak is naive.  I know that there are people there buying booze for kids.  Don&#039;t kid yourselves that people in need won&#039;t do what they feel they must to make some money.  You might argue that society, or the system, or whatever, has forced them into this position, and they can&#039;t help it.

But we can help it, and not by continuing to enable it, but to force the city to do something about homelessness other than relegate it to a working class community that has no skill, nor services, to deal adequately with it.  Tent City is not good for Highland Park, and it is not good for the homeless.  

Sure, we don&#039;t want people to be cold.  I get that, but we don&#039;t want to make it so easy for nefarious individuals to take advantage, and some do and will, regardless of what your compassion or guilt tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a regular, and I am sure that there are decent people in Tent City.  I have been a silent watcher for the last couple of years as the site has grown, and I have tried to avoid the sort of NIMBYism that would present itself in more affluent neighborhoods.</p>
<p>But there are people there who are hurting our community, and enabling them is not helping.  This high-minded &#8220;compassion&#8221; of which you speak is naive.  I know that there are people there buying booze for kids.  Don&#8217;t kid yourselves that people in need won&#8217;t do what they feel they must to make some money.  You might argue that society, or the system, or whatever, has forced them into this position, and they can&#8217;t help it.</p>
<p>But we can help it, and not by continuing to enable it, but to force the city to do something about homelessness other than relegate it to a working class community that has no skill, nor services, to deal adequately with it.  Tent City is not good for Highland Park, and it is not good for the homeless.  </p>
<p>Sure, we don&#8217;t want people to be cold.  I get that, but we don&#8217;t want to make it so easy for nefarious individuals to take advantage, and some do and will, regardless of what your compassion or guilt tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: miws</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955857</link>
		<dc:creator>miws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This regular is simply not acknowledging meanness.. no matter how righteously it is disguised.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


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Same here.

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I thought about replying last night, but am damn sick and tired of arguing with people that come across as non-compassionate, and whose minds will likely never be changed.  I&#039;ve recently stopped doing so with a regular on the WSB Forums, that repeats his &quot;complaints&quot; ad nauseum.


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I&#039;d be down helping at NV myself, but in this cold weather, with my COPD, even walking less than a block from the bus stop, with a 10 lb bag of groceries is tough.

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Even though those of us that speak up for the less fortunate should continue to do so, to educate others, and counter what the naysayers spew,  I am simply burned out on talking to brick walls, and need to take a break, for the sake of my own sanity....

.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This regular is simply not acknowledging meanness.. no matter how righteously it is disguised.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>Same here.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>I thought about replying last night, but am damn sick and tired of arguing with people that come across as non-compassionate, and whose minds will likely never be changed.  I&#8217;ve recently stopped doing so with a regular on the WSB Forums, that repeats his &#8220;complaints&#8221; ad nauseum.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be down helping at NV myself, but in this cold weather, with my COPD, even walking less than a block from the bus stop, with a 10 lb bag of groceries is tough.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Even though those of us that speak up for the less fortunate should continue to do so, to educate others, and counter what the naysayers spew,  I am simply burned out on talking to brick walls, and need to take a break, for the sake of my own sanity&#8230;.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: JoB</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955853</link>
		<dc:creator>JoB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 18:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This regular is simply not acknowledging meanness.. no matter how righteously it is disguised.

 I spoke with someone at camp this morning. If they are going to reach their goal of getting the tents raised above the persistent flooding they still need 2x4s, plywood, large tarps, duct tape, bungie cords and nails.

 Handwarmers and thermacare style heating pads to restore cold muscles to working conditions would also be helpful.

Really guys... blaming people for not being able to seize the opportunities they don&#039;t have is a cheap sport. Anyone can take cheap shots but you don&#039;t gain much credibility shooting ducks in a barrel.

Here is the perfect opportunity to help people help themselves... and you sit on the sidelines making allegations and name Calling.

That says a whole lot more about you than about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This regular is simply not acknowledging meanness.. no matter how righteously it is disguised.</p>
<p> I spoke with someone at camp this morning. If they are going to reach their goal of getting the tents raised above the persistent flooding they still need 2x4s, plywood, large tarps, duct tape, bungie cords and nails.</p>
<p> Handwarmers and thermacare style heating pads to restore cold muscles to working conditions would also be helpful.</p>
<p>Really guys&#8230; blaming people for not being able to seize the opportunities they don&#8217;t have is a cheap sport. Anyone can take cheap shots but you don&#8217;t gain much credibility shooting ducks in a barrel.</p>
<p>Here is the perfect opportunity to help people help themselves&#8230; and you sit on the sidelines making allegations and name Calling.</p>
<p>That says a whole lot more about you than about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Highland Park Resident</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955833</link>
		<dc:creator>Highland Park Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the residents have been working a really creative job -- they charge teenagers a premium for alcohol and then go to the stores and buy it for them.  Really nice to have these folks in the neighborhood.

Watch your kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the residents have been working a really creative job &#8212; they charge teenagers a premium for alcohol and then go to the stores and buy it for them.  Really nice to have these folks in the neighborhood.</p>
<p>Watch your kids.</p>
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		<title>By: SrslyShrn</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955806</link>
		<dc:creator>SrslyShrn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears N-ville has used up their emotional credits in West Seattle.    Not even the usual supporters have much to say here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears N-ville has used up their emotional credits in West Seattle.    Not even the usual supporters have much to say here.</p>
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		<title>By: Heylady</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955802</link>
		<dc:creator>Heylady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,critics. Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,critics. Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: West Seattle Hipster</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955683</link>
		<dc:creator>West Seattle Hipster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 03:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is McGinnville a non-smoking encampment?

Do members of this encampment volunteer in the local commnuity?  How are they giving back, or are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is McGinnville a non-smoking encampment?</p>
<p>Do members of this encampment volunteer in the local commnuity?  How are they giving back, or are they?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://westseattleblog.com/2013/01/next-chance-to-help-at-nickelsville-camp-cleanup-this-weekend#comment-955643</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I clean up my own house and yard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I clean up my own house and yard.</p>
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