Update: Shooting at 61st/Admiral – 3 officers shoot armed man

September 3, 2010 at 9:00 pm | In Crime, West Seattle news | 147 Comments

(SATURDAY MORNING EDITOR’S NOTE: Until we start a new followup story, the newest information will continue to be added at the bottom of this one)

(ABOVE: Video of Deputy Chief Nick Metz‘s briefing at the scene; BELOW: Photo by Christopher Boffoli)

ORIGINAL 9 PM REPORT: We’re on the way to the reported shooting at 61st and Admiral. On the scanner, one suspect is reported to be in custody, two weapons recovered. We haven’t heard anything yet about the victim or other circumstances, aside from this all reportedly unfolding at a residence. There may be traffic effects in the area – so we’d advise staying clear.

9:10 PM UPDATE: Police are blocking westbound traffic on Admiral at 59th.

9:15 PM UPDATE: According to the scanner, the person who was shot is a 59-year-old man with a “single gunshot wound to the abdomen,” 40 caliber, who’s being rushed to Harborview Medical Center. Again, no word yet of circumstances.

9:23 PM UPDATE: Via the media hotline, Seattle PD officer Renee Witt confirms that this is a “possible officer-involved shooting.” The scanner had included discussion of “Police Guild rep(s)” (that’s the police union) which had hinted at such circumstances. Witt’s initial report – she’s going to the scene, and we will get information from her there – did NOT include anything else about the circumstances.

9:33 PM UPDATE: Police are now putting up crime-scene tape around the house in the 6100 block of Admiral where this is unfolding. The medic unit that’s transporting the shot man also has left, according to WSB co-publisher Patrick Sand, who is at the scene.

9:49 PM UPDATE: Gang Unit officers have arrived. Note that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a gang case – this is taking a lot of police resources and it might just be, all hands on deck and they’re helping too – but noteworthy at any rate.

10:05 PM UPDATE: Some official info should be forthcoming soon. Media Unit Officer Witt has just arrived, per scanner, and will be talking with SW Precinct Capt. Joe Kessler before meeting with reporters. Also, police are opening up Admiral at 59th to traffic, though the shooting-scene vicinity itself at 61st/Admiral will remain blocked off.

10:19 PM UPDATE: Officer Witt will not brief the media – Deputy Chief Nick Metz will do that, we are told.

10:35 PM UPDATE: That briefing is now expected in 10 minutes or so. We have two crews at the scene so that one will be able to relay info back to HQ as it is announced during the briefing – we’ll post “live” as it happens.

(Photo of Chief Metz briefing media, by Christopher Boffoli, added 11:33 pm)
10:45 PM UPDATE: Deputy Chief Metz’s briefing, most of this a direct transcription: A woman called and reported a shot had been fired. Then another call claimed a man had made suicidal threats. Officers were dispatched. They responded quickly, set up containment around the house, man came out the back door, officer heard a gunshot, put out over air that shots were fired, saw man holding what appeared to be assault rifle, man saw officers, leveled gun toward officers, three officers fired at him – I don’t have the exact number of shots – the man was hit, he went down, other officers responded to scene with what we call a contact team, they secured the man, called the Fire Dept medics … Deputy Chief Metz says that the man is still alive at last report but they don’t know his condition. Homicide and CSI officers are investigating and the three officers involved in the shooting are being questioned. (Now he is taking questions.) He says an AK-47 and handgun were confiscated from the man. They confirm he is 59 years old (as we had first reported from scanner traffic). We rolled video on the briefing and will post it here in its entirety once it’s back at HQ.

ADDED 12:15 AM: We have added our video of Deputy Chief Metz’s briefing, in its entirety, about 5 minutes long, to the top of this story. Or – you can also click here to watch it.

12:59 AM: No additional info – but the summary’s posted on SPD Blotter now.

2:42 AM: Drove by the scene about 20 minutes ago – Admiral Way still closed between 61st and 62nd. Meantime, the SPD Blotter account has been tweaked slightly; the man who was shot is now described as having “serious injuries.”

(Saturday morning photo by Christopher Boffoli)
8:37 AM: Admiral is open again. Police are still at the scene investigating, focusing on the alley by the house where the shooting happened. Police have updated the SPD Blotter item to add, “As of 7:00 a.m. this morning, the victim is listed in stable condition.” He has not been publicly, officially identified; we did get a name from a reliable source and checked to see if that person had any sort of a criminal history – we found nothing aside from a minor traffic violation three months ago, his first one in more than a decade. One other note: As our partners at the Seattle Times point out in their story about this incident, this is the region’s fourth shooting involving police this week.

147 Comments

  1. hearing all kinds of sirens at 53rd & charlestown

    Comment by lg — 9:02 pm September 3, 2010 #

  2. Iam across the street , I heard a lot of gun fire and seen several cops weith fullauto riffles and hand guns running down the street, there is a swat van and about 10 cop cars

    Comment by zac — 9:03 pm September 3, 2010 #

  3. I heard shot in the distance, around 53rd and Charleston, then a lot of sirens. Any one with an update?

    Comment by the Monsignor — 9:04 pm September 3, 2010 #

  4. heard shots from 55th/genesee…

    Comment by ad — 9:04 pm September 3, 2010 #

  5. I heard what I thought were fire crackers on 54th and Dakotah; then within seconds all kinds of sirens. I knew that the WSB would be all over it.

    Comment by Scooper — 9:04 pm September 3, 2010 #

  6. My husband and I have counted 17 police cars that have driven by our Admiral home in the last 10 minutes….. update would be good to have.

    Comment by Teresa — 9:04 pm September 3, 2010 #

  7. Several fire trucks/cars and at least 6 or more police cars have just raced down Admiral and more are coming…

    Comment by mrsB — 9:05 pm September 3, 2010 #

  8. Still hearing sirens.

    Comment by the Monsignor — 9:05 pm September 3, 2010 #

  9. Can see the intersection from my house – 2 blocks away. Piles of cop cars blocking the streets.

    Comment by cathyw — 9:05 pm September 3, 2010 #

  10. We were leaving Cactus and heard about five shots and some shouting, although until the 10 cop cars and the fire truck most of us thought it was a loud drum like noise and music.

    Comment by Jm — 9:05 pm September 3, 2010 #

  11. Tons of sirens – police cars – heading down Admiral. # 8 or 9 maybe!

    Comment by ws — 9:05 pm September 3, 2010 #

  12. whoa, just heard a bunch more shots??!?!

    Comment by ad — 9:05 pm September 3, 2010 #

  13. I hear a helicopter

    Comment by lg — 9:06 pm September 3, 2010 #

  14. I’d never heard that many sirens at Admiral & Cali. Def 9-10+ I logged on here to see what was happening. Whoa. (also heard the helicopter go by).
    Quiet at the moment up here. Hope the Officers are successful.

    Comment by Admiral935 — 9:07 pm September 3, 2010 #

  15. We have a crew responding to the scene and I’m covering via scanner. Will have information as soon as it’s available – TR

    Comment by WSB — 9:07 pm September 3, 2010 #

  16. 20 police cars racing down admiral several unmarked cars with lights only in the rear window.

    Comment by c — 9:07 pm September 3, 2010 #

  17. Just counted 18 police cars up Admiral way quiet now has anyone heard more?

    Comment by Jan Keating — 9:08 pm September 3, 2010 #

  18. Lots of sirens going down Admiral. Enough to get on the BLOG and see what is happening

    Comment by dt — 9:10 pm September 3, 2010 #

  19. At admiral and california, have seen atleast probably 20 vehicles drive by with sirens.

    Comment by cb — 9:10 pm September 3, 2010 #

  20. There a Police scanner feed at KOMOnews.com (upper right blue text)
    Something about 62nd (10,000 block?) Someone shot in abdomen being treated ready for transport to Harborview….I think that’s what they said. Blood pressure 100/50 HR 87

    Comment by Admiral935 — 9:16 pm September 3, 2010 #

  21. I knew I could find out what was going on! Sirens galore flying by, helicopters…I hope he’s okay.

    Comment by ann — 9:21 pm September 3, 2010 #

  22. Admiral 935, we are covering all that in the story above. We also now have a person at the scene trying to find out what can be OFFICIALLY reported.

    Comment by WSB — 9:22 pm September 3, 2010 #

  23. I counted 25 Police vehicles and 4 fire vehicles

    Comment by nick — 9:24 pm September 3, 2010 #

  24. Oh no! :(

    Comment by cathyw — 9:26 pm September 3, 2010 #

  25. Oh, ok, delete my post as you wish

    Comment by Admiral935 — 9:26 pm September 3, 2010 #

  26. To many gang bangers and biker gangs coming to Alki – The Police need to step up and rid the area of these Losers. Also a major increase in gang graffiti taging all over West Seattle!

    Comment by nick — 9:26 pm September 3, 2010 #

  27. Oh no… not another cop shooting. What was this guy doing, clipping his nails?

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 9:30 pm September 3, 2010 #

  28. We need to start a Special Citizen Patrol for West Seattle – Rid of the Gang Bangers and the Biker Gangs coming to the Area. I lived here my whole life and its gotten out of control in West Seattle and Alki. I was there when the big gang melee this Summer and have seen more incidents at Alki this Summer. We the Citizens are going to have to take some action to rid of the criminal problem in the West Seattle Area.

    Comment by nick — 9:37 pm September 3, 2010 #

  29. I wonder why it sounded so close here on Genesee Hill?

    Comment by ad — 9:40 pm September 3, 2010 #

  30. Can see massive police presence at the scene, heard no sirens and we are 2 blocks away on the hill.

    Comment by Joleen — 9:42 pm September 3, 2010 #

  31. NTG, no idea yet. Public information officer en route, we and the rest of the media have to await her arrival for official information. Otherwise all the other media’s killing time by interviewing anyone in sight, people who heard gunshots etc. (as already heard here in comments – thanks) … TR

    Comment by WSB — 9:44 pm September 3, 2010 #

  32. At 9:20 the Seattle Times links to the WSB for this story! Excellent reporting!!! Thank you fellow West Seattleites for posting your accounts. I love knowing that whatever happens, the WSB will know. It will be interesting to follow this story as it unfolds.

    Comment by Garden_nymph — 9:45 pm September 3, 2010 #

  33. My BFF just told me she heard between 5 & 6 shots in quick succession near Alki & 61st! What is up with Alki these day?!?!?!? Usually the shooting are near Whale’s tail park! Thinking of gun shots near Alki as “Usual” disturbs me a great deal!

    Comment by Noelle — 9:46 pm September 3, 2010 #

  34. Nick – I’m with you. Really missing those days {and budget} that allowed for the large RV/Van from Seattle PD. This is a high incidence area without that presence.
    And this shooting {whether police involvement or NOT} is way too close to home.
    We’ve not felt safe at the beach this summer at all, and that’s just not acceptable – for ANYONE.

    Comment by sassy — 9:47 pm September 3, 2010 #

  35. new siren

    Comment by lg — 9:48 pm September 3, 2010 #

  36. I believe in looking at the facts of the situation before we put blame on gang bangers and bikers. Get over your issue in this forum.

    Comment by the Monsignor — 9:48 pm September 3, 2010 #

  37. i’m a block away from the scene. heard the shots, and sirens coming down the hill. i’m hearing from neighbors that they’re still looking for someone, any word on that?

    Comment by ejones — 9:50 pm September 3, 2010 #

  38. why would the cops’ union be called in before they even said it was a cop shooting on the radio?

    Comment by Mark — 9:50 pm September 3, 2010 #

  39. WSB is reporting gang unit on scene!

    Comment by k — 9:51 pm September 3, 2010 #

  40. The police dont carry Full-automatic weapons Zac.

    Comment by Ric — 9:52 pm September 3, 2010 #

  41. More sirens just now!

    Comment by ws — 9:53 pm September 3, 2010 #

  42. Based on the fact that the cops did not/are not asking the many bystanders/looky-loos to leave the area or get in their cars, etc. I’m thinking that the comment about the cops still looking for someone might just be a rumor.

    Comment by jayem — 9:54 pm September 3, 2010 #

  43. New ambulance with lights at the scene

    Comment by megan — 9:54 pm September 3, 2010 #

  44. I don’t mean to be sarcastic, well, yes I do… but there have been far too many “officer involved” shootings lately. I know they have a tough job – probably the toughest out there – but come on….

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 9:55 pm September 3, 2010 #

  45. And, yeah, won’t let our teens go to Alki any more unsupervised during the day. I have to say my wife is right, I said let them go, it’s only a few blocks. Forget it.

    Comment by ws — 9:56 pm September 3, 2010 #

  46. The additional sirens around 9:45 are probably from a “medic response” at 58th & SW Alki, *likely* unrelated.

    Comment by Mookie — 9:56 pm September 3, 2010 #

  47. I hear more sirens now. Sheesh.

    Comment by ad — 9:57 pm September 3, 2010 #

  48. Thanks for the info, Mookie.

    Comment by ad — 9:57 pm September 3, 2010 #

  49. Woww, you news junkies hit it hard when a story like this unfolds. “ready for transport” you even talk cop/EMT lingo!

    Comment by Shaniqua — 9:59 pm September 3, 2010 #

  50. I won’t get over the issue. I have friends in the Federal Govt Area who might form a task force and hammer this gang bangers and biker gangs. I don’t like them Monsignor. They are Urban Terrorist. I know SPD and KPD Officers who don’t like them either and are hand tied by the local governements. This is a perfect forum for a terrible problem! Time for West Seattle Citizens to stand up!

    Comment by nick — 9:59 pm September 3, 2010 #

  51. @monsignor

    We all know who/what it is. I don’t feel safe walking up to the Extra Mile at Admiral on a weekend night. I know the bangers don’t live here — we’re just the route between somewhere else and Alki. Whether or not they’re involved in this particular shooting, it’s the gangs and their friends that make people feel unsafe, that spin their bike tires and smoke out little kids eating ice cream cones in front of Pepperdocks, who drive by rattling my windows on sunny days, who are rude and who are–YES–responsible for most of the incidents. It’s not an “issue”–it’s the truth.

    And yes–”Urban Terrorists” is a spot-on label.

    Comment by Crystal — 10:00 pm September 3, 2010 #

  52. More more more sirens!

    Comment by ws — 10:02 pm September 3, 2010 #

  53. I know its the truth! I have talked to a few people in D.C. to see if they can help out a little in the Puget Sound Area. The crime problem has exploded in West Seattle and the City area. I know lots of business owners in West Seattle and Alki and they are concerned and some are talking about closing down. The Mayor’s office and the Council refuse to do anything about it. Its out of control.

    Comment by nick — 10:04 pm September 3, 2010 #

  54. All I said was let the facts fall out before you place blame, when the victim is listed at 59 yrs old and a police officer (note not using the term cop) is involved, I just want people to use a bit of caution. Yes the beach has it’s issues, and always will, during nice weather and the summer months.

    Comment by the Monsignor — 10:04 pm September 3, 2010 #

  55. Came across the detour omw home, was wondering what had happened, thanks wsblog! I was coming from work in the south up marginal way, saw a few cops on the road and a few import racers pulled over almost underneath ws bridge, (I never see police on that route home this late at night), maybe it was related…also had a few cops pass on the way up admiral hill just after. My two cents!

    Comment by cpo — 10:09 pm September 3, 2010 #

  56. Another ambulance just charged to the scene.

    Comment by Erin — 10:09 pm September 3, 2010 #

  57. More sirens. What is the point at this stage, can’t they let us get some sleep?

    Comment by ws — 10:09 pm September 3, 2010 #

  58. I saw a ton of gangbangers and bike gang members around 8PM heading down to Alki. I live close but I was in the Admiral Area. Monignor you must Anti-Police or Safety oriented. You won’t reconize the Crime Problem is out of control. The gang problem at Alki and West Seattle has exploded. Right now on Delridge I saws the police this week have 12 Blood Gang Members up against the fence. They are really starting to take root. Now we need to rid West Seattle of the problem for good!

    Comment by nick — 10:11 pm September 3, 2010 #

  59. ANY MORE NEWS? AWHILE AGO ONE MEDIC AMBULANCE PASSED DOWN ADMIRAL THEN 15 OR SO MINUTES LATER TWO AMBULANCES AND A POLICE CAR WENT UP ADMIRAL TOWARDS CALIF AVE.

    Comment by Jan Keating — 10:11 pm September 3, 2010 #

  60. Did you guys just hear the scanner talk at 10:09? Holy smokes. I’m staying out of adding anything I heard until WSB gets their Official story in. I’ll be interested in reading the actual report!

    Comment by Admiral935 — 10:12 pm September 3, 2010 #

  61. “Urban Terrorists” is YOUR label. This is why there are laws against vigilante justice. What is everyone getting so upset about? After all, it’s just another shooting. It’s not like “they” came in your door and shot your house full of holes.
    .
    Right, Nick? Right, Crystal?

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 10:12 pm September 3, 2010 #

  62. Is there a link to the scanner online?

    Comment by ad — 10:13 pm September 3, 2010 #

  63. I live directly across the street from where the shooting happened and believe the injured man is my neighbor. I heard and saw the shots fired.

    Comment by Lee Therriault — 10:14 pm September 3, 2010 #

  64. Adm. 35…I just added it for you. But I do believe that it’s purely conjecture…it’s not the facts…so I’d rather believe what WSB finds out officially.

    Comment by JanS — 10:14 pm September 3, 2010 #

  65. Admiral 935 – at least tell us what you heard on the scanner..

    Comment by jayem — 10:14 pm September 3, 2010 #

  66. Chatter on the scanner said something about an AK being fired. Also said somethng about 3 officers involved…

    Comment by jeff — 10:15 pm September 3, 2010 #

  67. Actually, I am pro crime reduction in the area, if I don’t use the term “cops” I have respect for the PD. If I want to place blame on any city or county officials. I just asked for the forum to stay on task. If I want to put a person point of blame on this I would start with Mayor Mc Cheese.

    Comment by the Monsignor — 10:15 pm September 3, 2010 #

  68. Nick, did you just read the post earlier today? The crime rate WENT DOWN. Uh, what is this “explosion” in crime rate you speak of?
    .
    Yeah, you do us all some good – YOU go do something about it.

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 10:15 pm September 3, 2010 #

  69. whoever “nick” is on here, I suggest that if you have a beef with “crime” in the WS area, start a discussion on the forum, and please leave personal judgments out of these comments. I don’t know who you are, but unless you’re a mighty official person, whatever you are saying is conjecture. It doesn’t belong here right now. This is just my opinion. Thanks.

    Comment by JanS — 10:17 pm September 3, 2010 #

  70. ad…go to komotv.com..click on “police scanner” in upper right corner…

    Comment by JanS — 10:18 pm September 3, 2010 #

  71. http://www.komonews.com/news/content/scanner

    Comment by flippydingles — 10:18 pm September 3, 2010 #

  72. That report is garbage like most crime reporting. I have friends on the force and I have done some consultating about some ongoing problems in the West Seattle Area. Well I have done something about it. What are you doing?

    Comment by nick — 10:19 pm September 3, 2010 #

  73. I didn’t see the post from earlier today, but if there are no longer officers posted out here, perhaps the “official” crime rate appears to have gone down because there is nobody to report incidents.

    Comment by ws — 10:20 pm September 3, 2010 #

  74. Well Jan you should stop and take a look around your own block!

    Comment by nick — 10:20 pm September 3, 2010 #

  75. take that discussion elsewhere. let’s stick to what’s happening right now.

    Comment by k — 10:22 pm September 3, 2010 #

  76. Dear WS,

    they don’t report on alot of crime lots of big cities don’t it makes the city look unsafe.

    Comment by nick — 10:22 pm September 3, 2010 #

  77. What are you gonna do? Shootings occur everywhere

    Comment by Jai — 10:22 pm September 3, 2010 #

  78. I’d like to see this comment section used for factual comments about tonight’s event, rather than sky-is-falling hate-talk about “those” people.

    Comment by LE — 10:25 pm September 3, 2010 #

  79. Gang bangers and bikers? Calling in favors? hahahahaha! This isn’t ‘The Wire’ and we ain’t in the ghetto, Nick. Crime is everywhere. You wanna see some real gang members? Ask your D.C. people to send you a ticket to Baltimore. West seattle is just fine. I’m a lifelong Alki resident….and have never felt safer.

    Comment by NettiLuvsYou — 10:26 pm September 3, 2010 #

  80. I am sorry I didn’t truth-squad the earlier comment that’s alluded to. The Southwest Precinct is better-staffed currently than it ever has been. That doesn’t mean they have all the officers they would like, but they are at full staff, according to precinct leadership. The precinct is IN West Seattle. Please come to the next West Seattle Crime Prevention Council meeting in two weeks if you would like more information DIRECTLY from police. http://www.wscpc.org Otherwise – yes, let’s keep this to what’s happening now. We now have two crews at the scene and are still awaiting the official briefing from Deputy Chief Nick Metz. I will be live-posting once that happens – one of our crews will be relaying the information so that we can add it to the site as it happens.

    Comment by WSB — 10:28 pm September 3, 2010 #

  81. They are things that can be done to reduce the real crime in the city and county. They are some really good citizen progams being done in the Mid-West and back East to really get at the root of the problem. Also the Seattle Police only have 1200 Officers when we should 2200 hundred officers for the city.

    Comment by nick — 10:29 pm September 3, 2010 #

  82. I live on Alki and I don’t see any “explosion” in gang activity and while I see plenty of motorcycle clubs I’m pretty sure most of them aren’t “biker gangs.” I walk muy dog several times a day(early morning, late night) and have never felt threatened or in danger. It’s a holiday weekend, crazy stuff happens.

    Comment by jeff — 10:33 pm September 3, 2010 #

  83. Nick:

    1) Having some on-going problems going on around WS businesses that you know about personally, and crime statistics going down are not mutually exclusive. They can actually both be true at the same time.

    2) Police officers deal with crime and the worst of the worst non-stop. Of course they think crime is bad. Do you really think that is an unbiased point of view?

    3) Other than what you are witnessing specifically which of course you are very close to, and your apparently high sense of dramatics, what actual basis do you have to say that the overall stats are all “garbage” and the crime rate is “exploding”?

    4) I’ve lived here my whole life too. I dare you to run the crime rates from the 70s per capita at the time and see if it is actually worse now. Oh wait I forgot stats are garbage. Since we are basing things on personal anecdotes how about this one: I remember back in the 80s having to wait for my bus in front of a bullet-riddled crack house where the “Little Gym” now sits. That whole stretch of Gatewood was a LOT more sketchy than it is now.

    My point is – It’s all relative. West Seattle is a bigger place now than it was, and we know more about what is happening when it happens (thanks WSB) – but I’m not sure it is actually more dangerous. Freaking people out is unnecessary unless you have some facts to back yourself up.

    Comment by Glenda — 10:34 pm September 3, 2010 #

  84. any idea how long it will be until we hear from the deputy chief?

    Comment by jayem — 10:35 pm September 3, 2010 #

  85. I just added that to the story. At 10:32 one of our crews called me to say they were told “in 15 minutes,” so around quarter till. We will “live-post” as it happens since we now have two crews there – one will record the briefing (we’ll post the unedited video here later), the other will relay what’s said.

    Comment by WSB — 10:37 pm September 3, 2010 #

  86. Someone need my help?

    Comment by Paul Kersey — 10:40 pm September 3, 2010 #

  87. Whoa! I just moved to WS last weekend and just down the street from where this all occurred. I was actually in my truck pulling down the street when the shots were fired and within minutes more police units arrived. I hope this isn’t normal for this area?! Hope everyone is ok and suspects apprehended!

    Comment by GracieLoo — 10:41 pm September 3, 2010 #

  88. I have been all over the world and America. So I know what goes on. In Seattle and King County there is alot of scary things that go unreported to the public. The crime problem in West Seattle is out of control. All the tagging that has taking place in West Seattle in the last 9 months is unprecendent. So Glenda your should think before you write since you have no idea what is going on in West Seattle or the City in general. Seattle Police department is undermanned by at Least 1000 Officers!

    Comment by nick — 10:42 pm September 3, 2010 #

  89. Nick. You’ve made your point; give it a rest. Stick to the event in progress; save the speculation and opinion for another venue.

    Comment by landimoar — 10:46 pm September 3, 2010 #

  90. I appreciate your crews being down there and covering the story for us. I was there earlier but am now following comfortably from home (just a block away). Thank you!

    Comment by jayem — 10:47 pm September 3, 2010 #

  91. nick, while the city surely has greatly benefited from your ‘consultating’ we on the WSB would just like to know what’s going on with respect to the lights and sirens.

    Comment by sean — 10:50 pm September 3, 2010 #

  92. Good job WSB.

    Comment by the Monsignor — 10:51 pm September 3, 2010 #

  93. Thanks as always for the great coverage, WSB.

    Comment by Valerie — 10:54 pm September 3, 2010 #

  94. Way to prove Nick wrong about the gang bangers WSB!

    Comment by Duke7491 — 10:54 pm September 3, 2010 #

  95. Thank you for letting West Seattle know what is going on WSB!

    Comment by Noelle — 10:55 pm September 3, 2010 #

  96. GracieLoo..definitely not normal for your area.Realyy, despite the doom and gloom from one guy on here. I live in the Admiral Area near Calif. and Admiral, and I walk to the store at 11pm at night and I do not fear for my life. This is really not the usual thing.

    Sorry it’s the welcome you got to West Seattle. It’s really a great place to live, despite the comments.

    Comment by JanS — 10:55 pm September 3, 2010 #

  97. This doesn’t sound like any “biker gangs” or “gang bangers,” it sounds like yet another unfortunate intersection of mental health issues with gun ownership.

    Comment by Mookie — 10:56 pm September 3, 2010 #

  98. Everything that Dep. Chief Metz said is now in the story above – We will have video of the briefing back in a bit as soon as we feel one of our crews can return with it. Adding some photos too. This was transcribed from what I heard as one of our folks at the scene held the phone up during the briefing. Adding more as we get it. – Tracy

    Comment by WSB — 10:56 pm September 3, 2010 #

  99. How long can those police cars sit there with their lights flashing? What kind of batteries do they use, anyway? It’s all over now, hopefully, can’t they just turn the lights off?

    Comment by ws — 10:57 pm September 3, 2010 #

  100. one disgruntled 59 year old making suicide threats, attempts “death by cop”….

    well, nick, dont you feel stupid now.

    Comment by jephthah — 10:57 pm September 3, 2010 #

  101. Sorry someone was hurt. But glad it wasn’t another police officer.

    Comment by cathyw — 10:59 pm September 3, 2010 #

  102. yes, thank you, TR. KingTV has nothing on their website, barely mentioned it on their 10pm news. Thanks for letting us know the circumstances.

    Comment by JanS — 10:59 pm September 3, 2010 #

  103. Does this mean the hysterical discussion about gangs will now end?

    Comment by Michele — 11:00 pm September 3, 2010 #

  104. Great job WSB!

    Comment by Jeff — 11:00 pm September 3, 2010 #

  105. Big shout out to those of you keepin’ it real hear in the comments on WSB.

    We’ve either got an understaffed police force overwhelmed by an intentionally under-reported “explosion” in crime… or we’re way better off than the poor saps who lived in Gatewood during the gun-slingin’, crack-smokin’ 70′s.

    I suspect the truth is somewhere in-between. And I’m thankful that TR & Co at WSB have given us a forum to debate. I just wish the debate were more collegial and that it resulted in actions being taken to preserve this awesome neighborhood we call home.

    Comment by Just Sayin' — 11:04 pm September 3, 2010 #

  106. Nick!!!

    We have an area of the blog called FORUMS for the comments you are sharing. You can air your opinions/ facts there, but here and how, is not the correct time or place. Let’s please keep this on topic. And by, “on topic” I mean related to the shooting tonight that is being investigated.

    Comment by Garden_nymph — 11:07 pm September 3, 2010 #

  107. JanS – re: our friends in the broadcast media, this is one of those moments of lowest staffing for them – Friday night, going into a holiday weekend – so I am guessing that’s what the problem is for some. I know the person who tweets for KING got on the case (she works kind of round the clock from wherever/whenever like we do) first by retweeting us, then picking up on the reporter they sent – our informal partnership with the Seattle Times also had them linking to us for starters – so the info we publish here sometimes goes beyond West Seattle – and that’s why we are pretty conservative about awaiting confirmation on something like whether this was officer-involved or not before going with it, even though we heard all the same unofficial scanner chatter everyone else did …

    Comment by WSB — 11:15 pm September 3, 2010 #

  108. I’m just an interloper from the Eastside to your West Seattle Blog. What a refreshing, community oriented place it is compared to the forums on the Seattle Times.

    Kudos to all (most) of you, and I hope this wasn’t too off topic. ;)

    Comment by a guy — 11:18 pm September 3, 2010 #

  109. Thank you, WSB.

    Comment by soosan — 11:19 pm September 3, 2010 #

  110. Just Sayin’ – Your comment made me laugh. I actually totally agree with you, I was just trying to make a point with Nick (not sure why I bothered). I grew up here and felt safe then, I still live here and feel safe now and was just trying to use the Gatewood example to make my point.

    It’s just one of my pet peeves when people get hysterical about how we all live in war zone and crime is always getting worse – when the stats actually don’t show that at all. Which is why I even brought up the 70s.

    One thing we can definitely all agree on is we are glad for WSB!

    Comment by Glenda — 11:19 pm September 3, 2010 #

  111. Sadly relieved that it’s seemingly an attempted suicide by cop and not more drug/gang activity. Tragic, but less threatening in a way. My heart goes out to family, friends and neighbors. Let us know if there’s anything we can do to help.

    Comment by irukandji — 11:21 pm September 3, 2010 #

  112. Nice, lrukandji.
    Godspeed to the family, friends and neighbors.

    Comment by d — 11:27 pm September 3, 2010 #

  113. Glenda – Here I’m talking about being collegial and I call you out. Everybody’s got an opinion – I was using yours to make a point. I wasn’t here in the 70′s, but I tend to agree with your line of thinking – ‘it’s not that bad’. But it could be if we aren’t careful… which, I believe, was one of Nick’s points (if you get past the alarmism). Seems like there may be some common ground there, no?

    I think wiser people than me would encourage us to take this discussion to the forums.

    I’m out.

    Comment by Just Sayin\' — 11:32 pm September 3, 2010 #

  114. Glenda, this really is nothing to be laughing at.

    Comment by Darren — 11:36 pm September 3, 2010 #

  115. In hard times, bad things will happen more frequently. Crime rates are as easy to doctor as, say, unemployment rates (our official 9.6% national rate doesn’t include people who no longer qualify for unemployment pay, for instance, even if they’re still not working). I have witnessed additional problems here… comments above about increased tagging ring true to my unscientific observation, and if nothing else, sketchier characters seem to be walking up and down the streets. But still, having grown up in New York, I have yet to see anything here that looks like New York in the heart of the 1970s.

    Comment by mike flynn — 11:42 pm September 3, 2010 #

  116. LOL…

    Zac-
    What’s a “fullauto riffle” look like?
    I spent 20 years in the Marines and National Guard and I’ve never seen one.

    Nick-
    If you’re so freaked by the “gang bangers and biker gangs” on Alki, you’re lucky you don’t live in Top Hat with me…

    Comment by Dave — 12:05 am September 4, 2010 #

  117. It was always nice to see the Mobile Precinct Van down at Alki. If I recall, it was one of the vehicles destroyed by a bomb at the Charles St. station last year by Christopher Monfort, the alleged killer of Officer Timothy Brenton.

    Comment by islewrite — 12:42 am September 4, 2010 #

  118. Darren, – Crime isn’t funny. Suicide isn’t funny. This whole incident is scary. But Justsayin’ referring to “or we’re way better off than the poor saps who lived in Gatewood during the gun-slingin’, crack-smokin’ 70’s” I’m sorry – THAT was funny.

    Comment by Glenda — 1:02 am September 4, 2010 #

  119. In this instance, I believe the police acted in a proper manner, but the continuing officer involved shootings that are taking place of the headlines in the northwest are disturbing, I’ve had officers show up at my residence saying they had a 911 call about a dispute and have had them threatened to use a taser on me, barge into my home with false accusations and while threatening to arrest my girlfriend for leaving a scene of an accident that wasn’t even her fault. Seattle Police are bullies and they should be watched and charged if appropriate, as in the case of the officer stomping on the latino man and yelling out racial slurs and the officer who shot the native american man, who was supposedly wielding a knife in Tacoma and deaf and wasn’t obeying a police officer, this is utter BS. Since when is having a knife visible considered a reason for concern? The last time I read not only the constitution and the state laws, having an unconcealed weapon is protected by our constitution and to have a concealed weapon all one needs to do is apply for a yearly permit. So why is okay for them to get away with this?

    Comment by Henry Paul — 2:58 am September 4, 2010 #

  120. Why don’t we start a fundraising effort to replace the police van? I’d be willing to contribute if it would get more law enforcement presence back on the beach.

    Comment by Eaglewatch — 5:17 am September 4, 2010 #

  121. Luke and Family, we are with you. Tom we understand and wish that you had taken another path.

    To all of you who have commented, unless you know the family and the Man who was shot, try not to be judgemental just for once, of course we know you cant.

    Tom has been our neighbor and friend for decades and he is a very smart and kind Man.

    One moment in his life is Not the way he should be remembered.

    As real friends and long time neighbors of this good family, we will do anything we can to help as all of you judgemental fools should do as well.

    Born and Raised on Alki.

    D.

    Comment by md — 5:19 am September 4, 2010 #

  122. I can’t find any reports about his wife. Was she at home when he was shot? Very sad to hear that this happened.

    Comment by Cami — 6:58 am September 4, 2010 #

  123. Thank you WSB for getting the news out so fast—we live very near where this happened. I thought: those are gun shots, spouse says: no, firecrackers, 9 year old says: go look on the West Seattle Blog. That said, an assault weapon? Wow. And, I too hope the woman who was there is safe.

    Comment by Carraig na splinkeen — 7:56 am September 4, 2010 #

  124. welcome to the new west seattle, lock your doors and load your guns you just dont know who is out there anymore

    Comment by barry — 8:07 am September 4, 2010 #

  125. My favorite part of all this is that everyone was so worked up about gang bangers and drug dealers and how WSeattle is becoming SO UNSAFE OMG, and in reality it was another man trying to kill himself. But oh no, no one has anything to say about that! If you ask me, WSeattle is just as safe as it always has been. When the population in an area grows, with it grows the crime. Directly proportional. What we, as a community, should be more focused on is helping all these people who feel the need to commit suicide, instead of ruffling our feathers over something that’s pretty well under control and completely beside the point.

    Comment by realistic — 8:38 am September 4, 2010 #

  126. Cami – All police could say was that they hadn’t as of the briefing last night found/talked to the woman who had made the 911 call. This morning, we saw them talking with a woman at the scene, but no way to know what relation she is to the man, who survived the night, per SPD’s online report that he is now in stable condition – TR

    Comment by WSB — 8:43 am September 4, 2010 #

  127. I agree with Jeff 100%,I live on the beach myself,and GracieLoo you’ll be fine this is unusual.Welcome to the neighborhood,you’re gonna love it here.My kids have been at their happiest since we moved to Alki 3 yrs. ago.

    Comment by Alki Resident — 9:51 am September 4, 2010 #

  128. Thanks for the reporting, WSB! Great work as always.

    (Can I at least be amused that a certain party kept invoking the specter of D.C.? Dude, I’m FROM there. The day that Alki turns into Anacostia on a Saturday night you’ll maybe have a point. We’re a long, long way from that.)

    Comment by datamuse — 10:03 am September 4, 2010 #

  129. For every one of you “do-gooders” saying things like, “we should be more focused on is helping all these people who feel the need to commit suicide” or that people walking around are more “sketchier” – you need to sit down with a lawyer from NAACP and find out why that is impossible. You are more scary than the guy with the gun that got shot.
    .
    “md” – why did you feel the need to call out your neighbor by name with your out-pouring of support? Just so you can climb up on a box to lash out at people that were obviously scared last night at some 20+ police cars racing at high speeds towards the scene? I am embarrassed for you.

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 10:12 am September 4, 2010 #

  130. He wasn’t homeless. He has a roof over his head. What’s he so angry about?

    Comment by brokeasajoke — 10:23 am September 4, 2010 #

  131. ok, look…we need to stop the calling out of people who are posting on here. Not that guy…md has every right to say what he/she did. It’s not your place to judge right now. This has been upsetting to many people. Everyone shows it in different ways. We must remember that there was a man in pain last night with whatever burdens he had, and we should hurt for him. He is a neighbor, a human being, and let’s show some respect.

    Do-gooders concerned about suicide in our community is wrong? Are you serious? Really? It’s out there, and these people need help. If one of us can make a difference to someone, we should.

    Comment by JanS — 10:28 am September 4, 2010 #

  132. brokeasajoke…unless you’ve been there, I suppose you haven’t got a clue..not everything in the world is as cut and dried as that. Depression is real, no matter what your station in life.

    Comment by JanS — 10:31 am September 4, 2010 #

  133. You cannot tell a full auto M16 from an AR you buy at Cabelas….they look exactly the same…the proof is IN the pudding in the form of a trigger group…either full auto or single shot.

    drug dealers and gang bangers are ez terms for people to use to get there racism fix with…they come in all shapes and sizes, folks…

    hk

    Comment by HolyKow — 10:48 am September 4, 2010 #

  134. atleast the police did there job for once

    Comment by W.S. Mavrick — 10:50 am September 4, 2010 #

  135. JanS… I think I wasn’t too clear, but don’t use this as some reason to sound cool, k?
    .
    I feel for this guy and anyone else considering suicide. The “do-gooders” I was talking about are the people that think they are are doing some good by recognizing people with issues and intervening. Hence my comment about seeking counsel with the NAACP. I think we have enough problems in our neighborhood with people pointing fingers and feeling empowered.
    .
    Seems to me the first and best step is make sure services such as suicide hotlines and counseling are available. Who knows if this poor guy sought any kind of help, but it needs to be there for those that will.
    .
    I don’t question the right for md to post – I questioned naming the poor guy on here. Why was that necessary? Is the victim going to read this blog while healing from his bullet wounds and suddenly feel ok now? If you want to talk about respect, target md. Privacy should also be considered in regards to “respect.”

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 10:54 am September 4, 2010 #

  136. Notthat guy…actually, I can agree with that last paragraph. Privacy is showing respect. I understand the post of supporting the family publicly…it puts a name to an anonymous thing..makes it personal and human, not just another “incident”. And I think some commenters on here need to have that be pointed out to them. But..support for the family can be done in a private way. I’m hoping the neighbors will rally around this family and help them as it’s needed.

    The editor here is always the first to point out the contacts for suicide prevention, including hotlines.

    Now..a question…do you really mean NAACP? or are you meaning ACLU?

    Comment by JanS — 11:25 am September 4, 2010 #

  137. Oops… yes, the ACLU. My face is a little red. Thanks for pointing that out.

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 11:35 am September 4, 2010 #

  138. It is now the morning after…. And I bet NICK THE MISINFORMED VIGILANTE is feeling real ignorant! Hahahahaha…. Seriously, I can’t stop laughing at all the BULL you are yapping about! You’re the Jan Brewer of the 206! Outrageous, unresearched claims…. Did the ”gang bangers and bikers” leave any decapitated bodies behind at the crime scene last night? Oh wait. It was a cop related shooting. The 4th this week. Stop spreading fear in/over West Seattle. It is one of the most wonderful places to call home:) we need to take the west back from crazy people like you!

    Comment by NettiLuvsYou — 11:39 am September 4, 2010 #

  139. Nick is busy now. He is consulting with all of his friends in high places about what he is going to do to make us all safe again. After all, he’s been all over the world – and West Seattle is riddled with secret crime that doesn’t make it to the stat sheets.
    .
    I knew I wasn’t paranoid when I half-joked that I live amongst some very scary people.

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 11:53 am September 4, 2010 #

  140. Funny how the cops never manage to shoot some one who:

    1. Doesn’t have a long rap sheet.
    2. Follows a policeman’s lawful orders.
    3. Isn’t brandishing a deadly weapon.
    4. Doesn’t resist arrest.

    Life’s pretty simple folks. Avoid the simple mistakes above and you, too, can live long and prosper.

    Hey hey, ho ho…..yadda yadda yadda.

    Good job SPD!

    Comment by West Seattle — 12:01 pm September 4, 2010 #

  141. “best step is make sure services such as suicide hotlines and counseling are available.”

    They are available, so what’s your point?

    Comment by West Seattle — 12:04 pm September 4, 2010 #

  142. Oh cool. You want to take something out of context and make another argument. Well, first, those services were temporarily NOT available locally. Did you know that? Did the guy last night know to call a hotline or seek counseling before losing good judgement?
    .
    My point was – the step to take is to make the services available – and leave it at that. People you don’t know can not butt into your life. Think about something… 2 hours before that guy did this – did he show signs that YOU would recognize and deal with? How does that work?
    .
    The only people that can deal with this are those close to him. It sure isn’t any of the rest of us. Unfortunately for those involved, that didn’t happen soon enough this time. I like to believe that 99% of the time, it does work. In the meantime, donate something to the hotlines to keep them going.

    Comment by NotThatGuy — 12:20 pm September 4, 2010 #

  143. West Seattle, FYI, as I added to the story this morning, the person whom we’re 99.9% sure is the man shot last night does NOT have a rap sheet of any kind (we’ve checked all the online records). Certainly we know at least one of your other criteria is reported to have applied here, but for anyone just reading the comments and not the story updates, #1 was apparently not an issue – TR

    Comment by WSB — 12:22 pm September 4, 2010 #

  144. You don’t need to do all 4 things on my list, just one.

    Pointing a gun at cops suffices.

    Try to find a totally innocent person, without a rap sheet, gun, knife or resisting arrest the cops have shot. You’d be hard pressed.

    Comment by West Seattle — 12:25 pm September 4, 2010 #

  145. West Seattle: I think you need to add one more thing to your list, not that it pertains to last night’s incident, and that is “being black.” Sadly, we continue to see incidents of officers engaging in unprovoked violence against innocent, unarmed people of color. Just in the past couple of years there have been well-documented cases, such as the New York officers who murdered Sean Bell on his wedding day, the Houston officer who murdered a young man sitting in what the officer mistakenly believed was a stolen car, and the Lousiana officers who murdered a 73 year old unarmed man grilling in his front yard. SPD is not immune from race-based violence, having beaten black and hispanic men who were neither armed nor resisting arrest. I don’t know all the facts about the killing of the Native American man last week, but the incident certainly fits what the Justice Department has determined, which is that people of color are far more likely than whites to be subjected to the use of force by officers, regardless of whether they are armed or resisting.
    .
    I apologize for hijacking the thread; I just have a hard time with sanitized pronouncements about what leads to officer violence. Sometimes, it’s being the wrong color.

    Comment by waterworld — 1:03 pm September 4, 2010 #

  146. For those of you who are reasonable, I am addressing my comments. I am a neighbor and friend. Please don’t prejudge people.

    Let’s get all the facts, and meanwhile, please keep this man, his entire family and the officers involved in your thoughts. They all need help coping with this serious situation.

    Comment by neighbor — 4:59 pm September 4, 2010 #

  147. JanS “ok, look…we need to stop the calling out of people who are posting on here.”

    Next post, brokeasajoke…unless you’ve been there, I suppose you haven’t got a clue..not everything in the world is as cut and dried as that. Depression is real, no matter what your station in life.

    Pot this is the kettle….your black

    Comment by rdm — 11:30 pm September 4, 2010 #

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