Update: Gunshots in Admiral District, suspect arrested

August 28, 2009 at 11:46 pm | In Crime, West Seattle news | 89 Comments

(Photo by Christopher Boffoli, added 12:02 am)
ORIGINAL 11:46 PM REPORT: California SW is being closed right now in 2300 block (north of Admiral) because of an “assault with weapons” investigation. Still gathering information. Avoid the area. It’s apparently happening on SW College just west of California – that’s where fire is responding.

11:54 PM UPDATE: It’s a shooting – apparently preceded by an “altercation” out front of Admiral Pub – suspect that’s being sought is described, per scanner: White man, early 20s, 6 foot, stocky, white Seahawks shirt, dark shorts, small caliber handgun.

12:01 AM UPDATE: Police have arrested the suspected shooter. 23-year-old, being taken to the Southwest Precinct. They also have recovered the gun. Don’t know yet about the victim, though. WSB photojournalist Christopher Boffoli is at the scene and reported moments ago that it’s “chaos.”

12:08 AM UPDATE: From Christopher: “Witnesses tell me they heard at least one gunshot and screaming. I saw at least one victim, a white male, with a head injury being transported to Harborview.” (added 12:47 am – Christopher’s photo from the scene, before medic unit left)

12:17 AM UPDATE: Per scanner – police are about to reopen California to traffic in that area.

12:21 AM UPDATE: New information from a Seattle Police sergeant at the scene: The victim who was taken to the hospital suffered his injuries in a fistfight that preceded the shooting – shots were then fired but did not hit anyone.

12:37 AM UPDATE: Adding more photos from Christopher, who’s been covering this at the scene. Also checked online court records for the name that police used on the scanner to identify the suspect; some past history, full records not available online at this hour. In this photo, the suspect is in the car furthest from the camera – this was at California/Walker, block-plus north of scene:

SATURDAY MORNING UPDATE: Seattle Police have published a short summary of the incident to their SPDBlotter site (not official police reports, but summaries written by their Media Unit). Read it here.

89 Comments

  1. I’m in the junction and sirens keep on going by!!!

    Comment by Changingtimes — 11:51 pm August 28, 2009 #

  2. Sounded like a single gun shot.

    Comment by J — 11:52 pm August 28, 2009 #

  3. They announced on King 5 that someone had been shot at that address.

    Comment by 34th — 11:53 pm August 28, 2009 #

  4. real-time 911 says it’s at 2325 Calif. Ave. SW..that’s Mission Restuarant. Considering everything that’s going on in the northend, this just doesn’t help any, for sure.

    Comment by JanS — 11:54 pm August 28, 2009 #

  5. massive sirens ..still coming, it seems…

    Comment by JanS — 11:55 pm August 28, 2009 #

  6. I live behind the brickyard BBQ off California. 1 gun shot went off then people starte screaming. Saw a man fleeing the scene headed north on the alley way behind blockbuster with 2 other men chasing him.

    Comment by Jason — 11:55 pm August 28, 2009 #

  7. I live in the alley on this block. I heard a woman screaming frantically something like, “He had a gun!” Lights and sirens everywhere. It’s already starting to quiet down though.

    Comment by Christopher — 11:59 pm August 28, 2009 #

  8. Just saw a white male in a white t-shirt being arrested a block north of the Mission Restaurant.

    Comment by gurkly — 12:03 am August 29, 2009 #

  9. I heard what sounded like a single gunshot at that same time; weird since I have been riveted to the coverage of the shooter near Northgate…I’m a couple blocks away, and heard what sounded like muted screaming after the shot sound, then police siren after siren, followed by an ambulance sound…

    Comment by H — 12:04 am August 29, 2009 #

  10. Ha! Not quiet in your ‘hood anymore, Jan! ;-)

    Comment by pigeonmom — 12:05 am August 29, 2009 #

  11. Where exactly is the altercation/shooting?

    Comment by dcagen — 12:06 am August 29, 2009 #

  12. It’s “chaos?” How is it “chaos?” The police have the gun, the shooter and it’s “chaos.” Hey, that’s some sharp “reporting.”

    Comment by EyeLiveInWS — 12:08 am August 29, 2009 #

  13. It was madness for a bit. The police responded immediately. I live above the mission. heard the gunshot and shouts and within one minute the police arrived.

    What we need though, is the clean up- of the 7/11 parking lot. I walk my dog and there is ALWAYS drug dealers in the lot( I know one when i see them, the way they approach cars entering the alley or the street behind.) they used to only be there after dark, and now they are there before dark. It also appears that the clerks at 7/11 encourage them, while I cannot say for sure, maybe they get a kickback. it is NOT safe at that intersection anymore. especially the street next to it.

    Comment by Rachel — 12:10 am August 29, 2009 #

  14. Am continuously updating our copy but if you missed it there – it was out front of Admiral Pub, 2300 block California. The suspect was caught not far away, on Walker near California. Obviously the same one “gurkly” mentions above. I will be checking the background of the name that I heard on the scanner to see if criminal history and to watch for jail status … TR

    Comment by WSB — 12:11 am August 29, 2009 #

  15. pigeonmom…I’m getting used to the presence of the Po-leese in the ‘hood – lol…glad they caught the a$$hole. Hope it didn’t ruin the opening of Brickyard, hope no one was hurt…

    Comment by JanS — 12:12 am August 29, 2009 #

  16. EyeLive, sorry there was a bit of a lag, but if you have ever been to a crime scene, trying to sort out what is happening can indeed be chaos. Not just the police – all the people from the surrounding establishments trying to find out what happened – the arrest does not end it, now they have to interview witnesses etc.

    Comment by WSB — 12:13 am August 29, 2009 #

  17. EyeLiveInWS, you’re just being a jerk. I was actually jumping on here to comment on how GREAT the reporting is — nothing at all about this on the King 5 site. I’m constantly amazed and impressed with how on it WSBlog is and at all hours of the day — thank you!

    Comment by MaryT — 12:15 am August 29, 2009 #

  18. My boyfriend at Porterhouse and a friend bartending at Admiral both say no one was shot although shots were fired. The injury was apparently due to a pistol whipping of some sort. They are closing at least Porterhouse currently, probably the other open businesses as well.

    Comment by k-diddy — 12:16 am August 29, 2009 #

  19. Hey what about the gun fire in our neighborhood near 28/holden/webster? Three four gun shots; approx. 11:00. Five minutes later 6 RMPs were driving up and down our street; spot lights, etc. They definitely had a target. Continued to drive / search for :45 mins or so…they disappeared as fast as they came.

    Boy, our list of demands are growing by the minute for our “new” mayor.

    Comment by WTF — 12:18 am August 29, 2009 #

  20. EyeLiveIn WS..I suspect you weren’t at the scene. I wasn’t either. But I live nearby, heard the response, and I can just bet it was chaos for a few minutes…. there are 6or 7 eating establishments open right in that block, lots of people, I’m sure…someone was injured, possibly shot…geez, there probably was chaos. Now that he’s been apprehended, the chaos is probably over…so, my advice is..chill :)

    Comment by JanS — 12:20 am August 29, 2009 #

  21. EyeLiveInWS go to bed.

    Comment by WTF — 12:22 am August 29, 2009 #

  22. Apparently shots fired on or near I-5 got all lanes in both directions closed near North Seattle Community College a few hours ago…don’t know if suspect was caught in that incident. Don’t think they’re related because the suspected firearms in each incident don’t match up.

    Comment by k-diddy — 12:24 am August 29, 2009 #

  23. Yes, that incident is over. Two suspects in custody. I-5 has reopened. We were listening to that on the scanner when all this broke out – TR

    Comment by WSB — 12:27 am August 29, 2009 #

  24. I just chilled. It wasn’t meant to be “mean.” I was just poking at the cliche, “it is chaos.” I won’t make fun of WSB ever again, my neighbors. Never again. :-)

    Comment by EyeLiveInWS — 12:28 am August 29, 2009 #

  25. The North Seattle incident is over, the cops got the 2 perps on that one as well… http://www.komonews.com/news/56005462.html

    Comment by J242 — 12:30 am August 29, 2009 #

  26. These bars and pubs bring in classy people. Add on the Chevron and 7-11 rats, Admiral and California Ave are becoming a wonderful place to have families around aren’t they?

    Comment by Mike — 12:30 am August 29, 2009 #

  27. MaryT, right on! WSB you guys do an incredible job. This is the best blog in the area. My usual cynical outlook is more than humbled by your efforts and diligence in keeping it real (and timely).

    Comment by WTF — 12:31 am August 29, 2009 #

  28. K-diddy – while you were posting that comment we were getting that same info from a sergeant on the scene and have updated the main story – although we were told “fistfight” rather than “pistol-whipping” – will see how the official police account comes out. Thanks all for contributing what you are seeing/hearing – this is why we don’t use the term “readers,” but rather “collaborators” – TR

    Comment by WSB — 12:32 am August 29, 2009 #

  29. They arrested the perp right behind my house, he apparently tried to bury the gun in my neighbor’s bushes before the cops got to him and from someone who spoke to him, he seemed to be pretty jacked up on something. The assumption from my neighbor was meth or something amphetamine based and I trust their opinion.

    Comment by J242 — 12:36 am August 29, 2009 #

  30. If there is maybe one positive note to tonight’s events, perhaps now the Admiral Pub will have to clean up a bit and stop catering to drunken frat-boy and gangsta losers…

    Comment by J242 — 12:38 am August 29, 2009 #

  31. Thanks for all your info as well.

    Comment by k-diddy — 12:41 am August 29, 2009 #

  32. The person who got beat up came from the new brickyard. There was a fight and it ended in the middle of the street. Don’t know how it started. There was a several bikers and a fight earlier already outside the brickyard. I don’t know if the other person came from the admiral or yen wor?

    Comment by stew minter — 12:46 am August 29, 2009 #

  33. seems like it’s about time that the people selling beer/drinks to people already inebriated need to take a good long look in the mirror, and then start saying no. I realize that making money is the object of these establishments, but , geez, if they’re stumbling when they enter your place, turn them around and march them right back out the door. I’ve seen it happen quite a few times, and I don’t go out all that often.

    I’m glad the “victim” wasn’t shot, sorry that all this happened on Brickyard’s opening night…that stinks.

    Comment by JanS — 12:55 am August 29, 2009 #

  34. I mean, I’ve seen people stumble into a place already inebriated to the gills, and still get served…thought I’d clarify that :)

    Comment by JanS — 12:58 am August 29, 2009 #

  35. WTF, I live in that area too and heard shots or something like it too.

    Comment by pigeonmom — 1:02 am August 29, 2009 #

  36. stew minter: Do you know approximately what time that fight was at Brickyard? When I showed up there around 5pm to interview the owner there were two SPD officers who were just leaving. I didn’t think it was relevant to the story (and I didn’t want to jump to conclusions) so I didn’t mention it.

    Comment by christopherboffoli — 1:04 am August 29, 2009 #

  37. JanS – It is illegal to serve alcohol to someone who is intoxicated. See: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=66.44.200
    .
    However, I have no idea how often the WSLCB actually enforces this, since I’ve also seen bars keep serving customers who were clearly drunk.
    .
    WTF – I’m in the same general area and heard what sounded like four shots around 11:15PM. I don’t see anything on the 911 log that seems to match up with that, though. Hopefully WSB will check on this when the SPD gets a free moment after all the action up north tonight.

    Comment by lighthouse — 1:08 am August 29, 2009 #

  38. I may not be able to get info on that one for a while, maybe not even till Mon. Nothing on 911 log at least means no one hit; there were similar sounds late last night on this side of town that by most assessments including ours were fireworks. But there also have been recent incidents of shots-vs.-houses …

    Comment by WSB — 1:23 am August 29, 2009 #

  39. I don’t know where it said that the suspect was drunk, so perhaps we shouldn’t jump to that conclusion and to the conclusion that the suspect was specifically served at the Admiral? And it is illegal to serve someone who appears to be intoxicated, and if this does turn out to be a case of overservice (again, which hasn’t been confirmed or even hinted at in the reports), the WSLCB will investigate any bars involved and there are fines if any bars were found to be in violation. FYI.

    Comment by k-diddy — 1:27 am August 29, 2009 #

  40. Sorry I misread comments, please disregard ignore the part of my previous comment saying “specifically served at the Admiral”.

    Comment by k-diddy — 1:33 am August 29, 2009 #

  41. well, there are happy drunks, and then there are angry, belligerent drunks. And they don’t necessarily have to be “drunk”, as in falling down. But if you have an angry drunk get into words with someone, and then put a concealed weapon on his body, I’m just saying that things might escalate. That was my point. I really don’t know if this guy had any alcohol Friday evening or not. But we might surmise that he was young (23) hotheaded, and stoopid…

    Comment by JanS — 2:07 am August 29, 2009 #

  42. Regarding Rachel’s comment about the 7-11, and Mike’s reference to 7-11 ‘rats’, I am a patron of the 7-11 nearly every evening, and am neither a drug dealer nor a ‘rat’…
    I have not seen these hordes of drug dealers you claim to be so sure of seeing, Rachel (and I wonder how you are such an expert), just kids buying snacks and middle-aged men and women buying milk and beer…
    As for the clerks, they are sweet and hard working, and do not deserve your blind assertion of criminal collusion. Try speaking to what you actually know as factual…
    What I actually know: The guy who works there all night 6 days a week is very warm and personable…perhaps you might go in and see for yourself one night, instead of just walking by with your dog and making things up for your amusement…

    Comment by H — 2:23 am August 29, 2009 #

  43. I have to wonder how many of the negative people are actually from WS or are transplants? Just curious…

    Comment by TJ — 3:55 am August 29, 2009 #

  44. All these tough guys with guys? HaHa. I know a gun club they can join that will pay them to shoot. The “club” will also send them someplace nice and warm to do all the shooting they want.

    Oh, and someone needs to give the guy who covered this a raise, hasn’t he been up all day covering the new BBQ place and now this?

    Comment by kg — 4:19 am August 29, 2009 #

  45. Names of the arrested criminal please it is a public record or is there some reason yjou do not want to release the names?

    Comment by duckboy — 8:48 am August 29, 2009 #

  46. Yes kg, wsb rocks! I swear they never sleep! Best news source around!! :)

    Comment by TJ — 8:58 am August 29, 2009 #

  47. first of all chris it wasnt in front of brickyard it was the admiral pub second of all how bout the bad ass bbq at the yard. increase the peace stop the violence

    Comment by guy west side — 9:03 am August 29, 2009 #

  48. excellent reporting! (contrast this article with the sparse, uninteresting, and rarely illustrated articles about shootings in seattle times — there’s really nothing to compare.)

    Comment by bridge to somewhere — 9:14 am August 29, 2009 #

  49. I was in the area incident in front of the admiral pub last night and want to say that the cops did a great job.
    When I saw those guys/gals, I at least felt safer and like they were going to take care of it.
    Thanks…

    Comment by Todd — 9:17 am August 29, 2009 #

  50. Being raised in West Seattle (grad. from WSHS ’50) and leaving the community in 1955, it’s interesting to read about the community 54 years later. No crime to speak of in those days.

    Comment by Reg Morgan — 9:30 am August 29, 2009 #

  51. Great coverage, as always WSB –especially since we live 4 blocks east and slept through the whole thing. Folks, we live in a city — not a sleepy small town. These things happen; fortunately, they’re rare enough to be news and we have WSB to tell be our eyes and ears. We can either blame them on our favorite whipping person or try to figure out the root causes and do something about them.

    Comment by charlabob — 9:31 am August 29, 2009 #

  52. My family is from here, but my brother moved to Wallingford after college. He told me recently that on a night out, he and his friends came to west Seattle just to see how it compared. After, he said the bars had a lower class of people. He specifically mentioned the higher frequency of unrefined, football-jersey-clad young men looking for fights.

    I thought he was crazy at the time. It is dissappointing that more and more lately it seems he was right. Is west Seattle changing, or am I just realizing how it really is?

    Comment by Native — 10:04 am August 29, 2009 #

  53. Reg Morgan, I find that hilarious. The density of West Seattle at the time you left was nearly as much as it is now (most homes being built pre 1955). I absolutely gaurantee if you look in archives you’ll find your statement completely made up. YOU may not have realized it, but there was crime.

    I grew up on the Eastside of lake WA, where everything is perfect in the eyes of so many there. However I can name a guy in Walla Walla state prison that murdered his wife and stuffed her in the trunk. He was the ‘ideal’ father over there, a great coach, wonderful member of society… until his other side showed everyone the truth.

    Comment by Mike — 10:17 am August 29, 2009 #

  54. Must be used to the sound of sirens. Slept through the whole thing. Thank goodness.

    Comment by Gina — 10:26 am August 29, 2009 #

  55. sorry for spelling errors the rude comment by H made me mad and type fast without spellchecking.

    BTW h, I have gone in 7-11, I have not “judged” the people out front by just walking by, and There is a diff between kids buying snacks and talking outside and the guys that linger and look all around, waiting for the cars to pull up and signal them over.

    Comment by Rachel — 10:41 am August 29, 2009 #

  56. I too am seeing alot of drug dealing in Admiral. Yes the 7-11 I’ve seen it, but also the northern part of the safeway parking lot. Day and night dealing. Groups of people loitering in cars waiting. Then others come up, money and little bags exchanged. Even blocking traffic on Calif. Where are the police? There seems to be an increase in tagging too. As I have reported 3 taggings to the graffiti hotline in 2 days.

    Comment by bebecat — 11:00 am August 29, 2009 #

  57. k-diddy, I said he was in a “non-sober” state as observed by the individual who gave the location of his gun to the police as well as others who were involuntarily in contact with him moments before the police got to him. From all reports he seemed to be “tweaking” with twitches, rapidly shifting eyes unable to focus on any one thing for more than a moment at best, constant “sniffling”, etc… Anyone in such a state should never be served by any bartender unless it’s a bottle of water and possibly a call to the paramedics.

    I have been in both the Admiral Pub as well as the Yen Wor and seen people barely able to speak their order get served additional drinks and it’s not incredibly uncommon. The Mission however I’ve seen refuse to serve people who didn’t appear entirely sober and cut people off after the 3rd or 4th round. There is a big difference there.

    Comment by J242 — 11:01 am August 29, 2009 #

  58. The SPDBlotter site now has a short police summary of this incident, and we have put up a followup with what they said:
    http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=20215

    Comment by WSB — 11:17 am August 29, 2009 #

  59. well my comment to “H” was pulled. why I do not know, He accuses me of being a drug addict by his response. ” I wonder why Rachel is an expert”
    I am not a moron and can see that the cars pulling up and guys waiting outside 7/11 running to them, handing them things walking away and repeating the action with other cars is drug dealing.

    I walk the dog by there , get cat called and solicited. I know what I see and your comment was rude and salacious.

    You do not know me, and if you think that i was talking about the kids buying snacks and talking outside, and that I have never entered, you are mistaken and should only speak of what you know, and that seems like very little at this point.

    Comment by Rachel — 11:47 am August 29, 2009 #

  60. I do frequent the admiral and the yen wor. I have seen some over service but there is not a neighbor hood bar in Washington that yiu won’t see this some times. I have seen people cut off many times at admiral. As a matter of fact I was one time not proud of it but I was. This incident sounds like it was a guy looking to fight and nothing more. I spoke with one of the responding officers this morning while scuba diving and he said one was high and the other wasn’t drunk.

    Comment by stew minter — 12:00 pm August 29, 2009 #

  61. if you people witnessed what happened go ahead and tell the truth about what you saw. To all you people assuming things put yourself in the “suspects” shoes not just the victims. you close minded ignorant people are on your computers living a false life of gossip and assumptions. who know the difference between a tweaker on meth and an innocent suspect on adrenaline! not an average west seattlelite yuppie living through their computer. mind yours

    Comment by sane — 12:01 pm August 29, 2009 #

  62. For Rachel, from Webster’s (She who lives in a glass house…try using a dictionary before criticizing others):

    * Main Entry: Sa·la·cious
    * Pronunciation: \sə-ˈlā-shəs\
    * Function: adjective

    1 : arousing or appealing to sexual desire or imagination : lascivious
    2 : lecherous, lustful

    Comment by L — 12:02 pm August 29, 2009 #

  63. 7-11 is yes indeed full of kiddie rats seeking to buy beer – nothing new there – for those that haven’t seen them, first they hang at the bus stop, then enter the alley and then a lovely 7-11 patron (you know who you are) buys the beer

    Comment by homesweethome — 12:20 pm August 29, 2009 #

  64. I realize we live in an active city, but the situation at the Admiral Pub is ongoing and officially out of hand. I’ve lost count of the number of street altercations this summer, including at least two shootings. A pattern of violence late in the evening clearly indicates that they are overserving – and the problem is nearly always men under the age of 25. Unless you were raised on another planet you know that alcohol and testosterone are a recipe for trouble. This problem will go away when a bartender loses a house and a car and an owner says goodbye to their establishment as the result of a lawsuit.

    Comment by Dadkat — 1:00 pm August 29, 2009 #

  65. Rachel, I am sorry if my comment offended. I did not mean to imply drug use on your part, rather, was questioning how it is that you know with such certainty what you were seeing…I cannot help but wonder why you did not report this activity, as a concerned citizen, if you were so convinced it was drug dealing.
    As for not judging or making presumptions, I will not let you off the hook (you even presume, without knowing it, my gender).
    You made horrible accusations about the people that work in that store, claiming that they were conspiring with drug dealers. This is beyond rudeness.
    Then when I challenged you on your yes, judgment of them and accusation of criminal conspiracy (getting “kickbacks” from dealers), you conveniently ignored that part of your statement in your indignant reply to me.
    These convenient store employees get mistreated and maligned enough every day because of their jobs and their ethnicity, without needing your ignorant vitriol dumped on them as well.
    They are so often the most vulnerable of workers, victims of crime themselves, like the 28 year-old Ballard clerk shot dead just weeks ago on the job…
    http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_072609WAB-ballard-shoot-KS.7b382e14.html
    The crime that prompted this thread happened after a fight at another establishment, not at this store.
    Try training your ire on irresponsible bar owners, pugnacious young men, and on idiots who fight against sane gun control laws, not innocent clerks who risk their lives every day so that you can buy a bag of chips at your convenience…

    Comment by H — 1:02 pm August 29, 2009 #

  66. My son told me today that he quit frequenting the Admiral Pub because there seemed to be too many gangsta wannabes and he’d rather not hang out where those types are because they are unpredictable, especially with a little alcohol (or a lot)..

    Comment by Mags — 1:36 pm August 29, 2009 #

  67. In response to to following verbal hemorrhage from “sane”: “who know the difference between a tweaker on meth and an innocent suspect on adrenaline!”

    People who are certified as EMTs and can tell from a variety of symptoms with 75% accuracy can. Like Firefighters, EMTs and other first responders. My info comes from an EMT and a Firefighter along with an individual who has worked security for years and seen all kinds. I trust their opinions as they have a lot of training and life experience behind them so when they point out specific physical traits and symptoms that differ massively from adrenaline like pupil dilation, sweat levels, speech patterns/slurs/etc I listen. Also as mentioned by another poster who said they spoke w/ one of the reporting officers, one individual was “high”. This follows right in line with the information I was given by people who encountered the perp before the police got to him. So get over yourself and quit making assumptions as to what other people’s level of knowledge, careers or involvement in this matter are. Sound good “sane”?

    Comment by J242 — 1:50 pm August 29, 2009 #

  68. Sane, who’s [umyknite]? A simple Russian to English translator gives the following:

    “You [umyknite] and simpleton completely in your pathetic period, you know nothing. those, who know, they know, who does not make.”

    Really? People here know nothing? Considering some of us live within 100 yards of the area, had the perp in our backyards, etc and we know nothing? Were you there? Did you see the perp or deal with him? Probably not. I saw him first hand and know people who spoke to and dealt with him first hand. The guy was tweaking, not just amped on adrenaline. Get over yourself already m’kay?

    Comment by J242 — 2:32 pm August 29, 2009 #

  69. That comment was deleted given that we didn’t have handy access to translation and weren’t going to run the risk it was profanity, sorry. And I will have to close this comment thread if the testiness doesn’t stop. There are important issues to discuss, but not in the way that some other news sites inexplicably allow them to nastily proceed.

    Comment by WSB — 2:44 pm August 29, 2009 #

  70. Fair enough WSB…

    Comment by J242 — 2:55 pm August 29, 2009 #

  71. Speaking of important issues, I was speaking to several other people today who live within a square block of the Admiral Pub and when they mentioned last night’s events they referred to it as a not all together rare occurrence. They have said they have seen fights, heard gunshots, etc for months over there. What can we do as citizens to get that place (and more importantly, it’s clientele) under control?

    Should we contact the BBB or the WS Board of Commerce and file complaints? I have lived here for 6 years and have never had any problems with crime except for people leaving the Pub and the Yen Wor. So what does everything think the best course of action should be? I definitely don’t want to have anyone’s business taken from them or have anyone lose any jobs but something obviously needs to be done.

    Comment by J242 — 2:58 pm August 29, 2009 #

  72. People need to grow up and respect each other. Both on the WSB and in the streets. Some of these comments on here make me sick. Get a clue, you know who you are.

    Comment by glocson — 3:10 pm August 29, 2009 #

  73. Respect what’s that?

    Comment by joeythecoyote — 3:29 pm August 29, 2009 #

  74. J242 – If you believe that any establishment serving liquor is doing something in violation of rules (I haven’t looked up the rules yet but they should be easy to find), the agency to deal with for starters – if you don’t believe a crime is taking place, in which case you contact Seattle Police – is the Washington State Liquor Control Board. Some of these types of issues have come up at the South Delridge/White Center Community Safety Coalition meeting we cover each month and they just had a presentation Thursday night from two reps of that agency. Our report included this link:
    http://www.liq.wa.gov/violation/report.aspx
    .
    Other information regarding enforcement can be found elsewhere on the LCB website:
    http://www.liq.wa.gov/enforcement.aspx
    .
    In addition, similar to the WC coalition I mentioned above, the West Seattle Crime Prevention Council might be a good place to take overall concerns. They are not enforcers but it is an excellent discussion forum, often attended by local police and city-attorney reps. Next meeting is Tuesday 9/15, 7 pm, Southwest Precinct.
    .
    Hope that helps a bit.
    .
    TR

    Comment by WSB — 3:31 pm August 29, 2009 #

  75. I’ve worked security in several different types of nightclubs. The issue of what clientele that the Admiral Pub brings in is up to the owners/management. If they immediately changed their dress code policy to “proper dress and ID required” (meaning no untucked shirts, no hats, no sneakers) I guarantee the amount of problems from that establishment would go down considerably. Hard to do in a sports bar type atmosphere? Maybe, but do you want bad publicity or happy neighbors? Would they lose some business? At first yes, but they would inevitably bring in a different type of crowd that would spend just as much money.

    Comment by kg — 3:52 pm August 29, 2009 #

  76. EXCUSE ME! from some one who knows and lives with the so called “perp” you guys are ignorant because you make your opionion from what your so called “fire fighter, EMT experts” said. HE IS WITHOUT A DOUBT NOT A TWEEKER OR WAS OR IS ON ANYTHING! Can you people even understand what the word accident means?
    obviously not. You are all cynical thinkers in your easy to point the finger assumtions. You were not there you might have heard what happened but you only heard commotion so please again like sane said stop the gossip. I can understand your concern for the safety of others. Remember there are always 2 sides to a story and the police paint less then half of the picture.

    Comment by WondersWhyAdultsActAsChildren — 4:00 pm August 29, 2009 #

  77. Thanks much for the additional info WSB, that definitely helps me look in the right direction.

    Comment by J242 — 4:00 pm August 29, 2009 #

  78. WondersWhyAdultsActAsChildren–not to put too fine a point on it, but your name is a little too ironic for your post. From accounts we read here and the SPD Blotter, there was an altercation where a firearm accidently went off. So, yes, I understand the word accident. The point is not that a firearm was discharged, but that someone was injured with said firearm, whether by bullet or butt. While it is true that we only know the part of the story we have access to, was it an accident that the suspect’s gun collided with the victim’s body? And, if you are angered that we know so little, you are welcome to enlighten us.

    Comment by k-diddy — 6:24 pm August 29, 2009 #

  79. Not to be rude “WondersWhyAdultsActAsChildren”, but in what way is the “perp” (Yes, this is the appropriate term, short for “perpetrator”, the legal definition of the one who committed the act in question which breaks whatever law is in question.) simply able to get a pass using the concept of an “accident”? The guy was carrying a GUN around a decent number of other people in a situation that many avoid specifically because of the known problems there. That is not an accident, that is intentional.

    As for not tweaking and such, I’ll trust the word of people who spoke with them (who hold medical certifications) as being the most likely information UNTIL there is a proper verdict by the authorities. I didn’t give him a toxicology exam on the scene or anything so I can’t say for 100% but again, I’ll trust the people with further experience and training than I regarding this matter until the tox report has been run.

    I am very happy that no one was hit by the bullet that was fired, I hope the person taken away for trauma to the head is okay and I hope the investigation is able to get everything straight and report it back.

    I only have one question for you, if it was a case of self defense (The only way I could ever consider the firing of a sidearm tied to a bar fight as being justifiable) and the handgun was legally purchased and registered, then why did they try to hide the weapon?

    Not trying to start drama here, just have a rational discussion regarding the facts of the matter as a concerned resident of the neighborhood in which this all happened in.

    Comment by J242 — 6:28 pm August 29, 2009 #

  80. to H- I have reported this activity, and I HAVE seen one of the clerks speaking with the person who runs to cars as I described. Speaking, laughing, and very friendly with said person, OUTSIDE the 7/11 while it was happening.

    SOME clerks are responsible and do face a terrible position at convenience stores and others are complicit.
    I reported what I saw, and I saw what I saw.

    You have no right nor reason to tell me to go inside and not judge people by walking by.

    My IRE is at ALL the bar owners, tenders and CLERKS who condone irresponsible and criminal behavior by either ignoring it or letting it go on.

    My presumption of your gender does not preclude your wondering why I am an expert and telling me not to judge before I walked in instead of just walking by.

    Your comment about making things up for my amusement is the worst. You presume that i am not only lying, that i have nothing better to do than to make up stories on a neighborhood blog. I care for this neighborhood and do not want to see it fall into dissaray (sp).

    NOW as for making things up, well your comments about me to me were a sign of that.

    for L(glass house)- Mea Culpa i used the wrong word, but my point is valid and true. Sorry one words misuse does not negate my validity.

    Comment by Rachel — 6:30 pm August 29, 2009 #

  81. I second kg’s thought for proper dress code and ID, but (so as not to hurt the business owners) only after a certain time like when they have security checking IDs at the door. That might help a bit and it’d be worth a try to say the least!

    Comment by J242 — 6:35 pm August 29, 2009 #

  82. is Admiral becoming Belltown lite?

    Comment by homesweethome — 7:52 pm August 29, 2009 #

  83. scary . . . I walk my dogs by there all the time.

    Comment by WS Dog Lover — 9:32 pm August 29, 2009 #

  84. I think a dress code might be a bit extreme. I think that there are other ways to monitor behavior than that. Even if we did have a dress club @ these establishments I do not believe that would solve the problem. Most of the bars in Belltown, cap hill, or down town that have issues have dress codes. It doesn’t keep scum out. I think that a higher police presence and more responsible bar tenders will help with the issue.

    And on a different note, I think we all have to agree, that rachel may be on to something. Do you not all remember the boy that shot the 30+ year old just off of Admiral a couple of years ago. I believe that it was referenced they were meeting @ the Chevron near that very 7-11 for a variety of reasons. Just think if someone had told law enforcement of that suspicious behavior two lives may have been saved. (The man who was shot. and the boy who shot him. I know not two people died but imo, killing someone might just ruin your life.)

    Comment by beachdrivegirl — 7:06 am August 30, 2009 #

  85. A good point beachdrivegirl, although I don’t think it would hurt to try it out. You know, announce the changes coming up a few weeks in advance, post the new rules in the window by the entrance, etc, etc and see how it turns out. Shy of hiring off duty officers to come in and keep an eye out or whatnot, I don’t know what else they as owners/employees could do to prevent future outbreaks of violence. It’s a tough call, I just hope something is worked out sooner than later.

    Comment by J242 — 5:30 pm August 30, 2009 #

  86. “More responsible bartenders”…? Minimum wage workers given the additional responsibility to question a patron as to “who” the 5 drinks that were just ordered are going to? The bartender didn’t open the door for these folks and welcome them in. They are stuck behind the bar and can only card them for valid id when ordering at the bar. Whether or not they just served someone who is underage, too inebriated, etc. that just came in through the backdoor is asking a bit much.

    Whatever happened to the concept of a “Bar Manager” that oversees the activities in the bar and/or hired security for busy nights to id at the door?

    Police aren’t paid to sit in front of “problem” establishments…if “said” bar is a frequent offender then hit them where it hurts and suspend their liquor license.

    Sure, bartenders need to refuse service to someone who is visibly drunk but it doesn’t take someone else to order these folks another drink.

    If you see over-serving going on then contact the WSLCB and ask for them to investigate. It only takes a couple of violations for the owners to wake up or lose their license…

    As far as a “dress code” goes…please, I like to go out wearing my baseball cap and do so to places that accept my attire. I like to dress casual and if you don’t like that I’m wearing a t-shirt, shorts and a cap don’t worry cus I won’t be walking in your front door.

    Comment by Leroniusmonkfish — 6:23 pm August 30, 2009 #

  87. I am the “Thread Killer”…hear my roar!

    Comment by Leroniusmonkfish — 2:43 pm August 31, 2009 #

  88. re: ” I only have one question for you, if it was a case of self defense (The only way I could ever consider the firing of a sidearm tied to a bar fight as being justifiable) and the handgun was legally purchased and registered, then why did they try to hide the weapon?”

    I don’t know why he allegedly hide the weapon, however, nor if it was a case of self defense:

    a: Because “negligent” discharge of a firearm is a crime.

    b: Because carrying a concealed pistol, lawful permit or not, in places that serve alcohol, is illegal.

    c. Because brandishing any weapon for the purposes of intimidation, and not for the purposes of self defense, is illegal.

    note: handguns are not required to be registered in this state.

    Comment by R — 4:34 pm September 16, 2009 #

  89. According to court docs, the suspect had a concealed-weapon permit, since you bring up the weapon issue.

    Comment by WSB — 4:38 pm September 16, 2009 #

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