Highland Park neighbors organizing jail-sites opposition


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Monday night’s Highland Park Action Committee meeting is likely to be lively – the agenda includes the city’s recent announcement of two jail sites almost literally in Highland Park’s back yard (click on the map above for exact addresses). While covering an unrelated event in Highland Park (neighborhood map) tonight, we received a copy of a bright yellow flyer neighbors are circulating, with text exhorting those concerned to “attend what may be the most important meeting for our revitalized neighborhood.” To recap – the city is deciding whether to build a jail for misdemeanor offenders, and a week and a half ago announced that the list of potential sites is down to four (WSB coverage here), including these two. A decision is expected later this year. A section of the city website is now devoted to this potential project (see it here) and the city has hired a consulting firm, The Keller Group, for public outreach; a representative, Cynthia Scheiderer, attended the Southwest District Council meeting in West Seattle shortly after the jail-sites announcement week before last. We checked with Scheiderer on Friday to see where things stand; she told us, “We’re working hard right now to get community meetings planned and scheduled; no dates/locations are set just yet but will be soon and we’ll keep you posted. … There will be multiple opportunities for people to attend meetings and they’ll be held June/July. Also, we’re happy to attend community meetings and provide handouts of the maps/information and take questions and comments.” She also provided us a contact on the city team working on the jail-site project, and we’ll be talking with them next week for another update. Meantime, the Highland Park Action Committee meeting is at 7 pm Monday, at the Highland Park Improvement Club, 11th & Holden (map); the HPAC website is at highlandpk.net; the city’s accepting comments/questions through this webpage.

21 Replies to "Highland Park neighbors organizing jail-sites opposition"

  • Kat May 17, 2008 (10:45 pm)

    Thank you WSB for continuing to bring awareness to this important topic! I realize that the Blog must, and should, remain neutral but I for one haven’t felt this distraught about an issue since the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections…
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    I urge all residents of West Seattle, especially those in Highland Park, to take action. It may just come down to which neighborhood organizes best and screams the loudest.
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    Again, I am not against building a new jail, simply that all of the sites listed are far too close to residences. Also, again, this jail would be situated less than 1000 ft from a playground and Pee Wee Ballfields (as the crow flies). As well as less than a mile from 2 elementary schools.
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    Just thoughts…
    Bring yours to the meeting Monday night!

  • Ken May 18, 2008 (7:06 am)

    NIMBY at its finest.

  • d May 18, 2008 (7:43 am)

    Unless you are within a stone’s throw of these two proposed sites, you words are merely arm chair speculation. I would be a bit slower to judge. I suspect you are not within the proposed areas.

    And, I would suggest that what you call NIMBYism in this instance is the “Courage of Conviction” and a most fundamentally human inclination of healthy people to protect children and keep them safe. This is a fine and necessary impulse in a culture that is too often indifferent, neglectful and abusive.

    There are hundreds of folks who have moved into the Delridge Development Area, (which the eastern most boundary is the edge of Highland Park) in good faith. They have bought neglected properties and cooperated tirelessly with the SPD to improve the character and quality of these various neighborhoods. And, it’s been working. These folks took the initiative to participate in the revitalization mandates of the Federal Weed and Seed Program by improving properties, supporting education programs, establishing Block Watches….do I need to spell it out here?

    And, then, when the Weed and Seed program is about to run its course of five years and when the local neighborhood associations have fallen into a cyclical lull in leadership, this revitalized neighborhood gets bitchslapped with not one, but two jail sites.

    The lived experience of having jails sites proposed which threatens to undermine the continuing economic and social progress and hard work of hundreds of committed people is a bit like having the powers that be wipe the City’s hiney with this neighborhood. Few would be willing to take it. It is just that simple.

  • chris May 18, 2008 (2:06 pm)

    “to protect children and keep them safe.”

    it’s not a max security prison for child molestors & rapists. it’s more damaging for your kits to play GTA4 than this, whiners.

  • Mags May 18, 2008 (2:17 pm)

    It appears that the West Marginal site is much more industrial than the other site and fairly away from any housing at all. I don’t even think there is much bus service without a hefty walk. I can understand people being concerned about a jail, but they do have to have it somewhere and my guess is each of the other places is mounting the same attack. The prudent thing to do is house it close to the least amount of development and where it really makes sense, but no matter where, there will be opposition.

  • JimmyG May 18, 2008 (4:02 pm)

    I’ve got no problem with them siting the jail in WS. If our local SPD officers only have to drive a few blocks to book the suspects then they aren’t out of our neighborhood for lengths of time transporting prisoners and can get back to patrolling WS quicker.

    I invite any of you against siting the jail in WS to drive to Kent to see the King County Jail at the Regional Justice Center. There are soccer/baseball fields right across the street, the Kent Commons is on the same block, a skateboard park is to the west, and the new Kent Station mall is right across the street on the east side. The under construction Kent Ice Stadium is going up across the other street. There are apartments and homes one block away.

    Instead of the jail site driving out residents and businesses since it’s opening in 1996 (or 1997) the area has grown up all around the jail. And this jail houses felons, not just misdemeanants.

    I think many of those opposing this haven’t done much research on the actual impact of a jail in their neighborhood, but are instead having a knee-jerk reaction well before they’ve educated themselves on the topic.

  • Kat May 18, 2008 (4:27 pm)

    Ken and other “Nimby” wielding readers,
    Apparently I did not make it clear in my first statement that my opposition is about ALL residential neighborhoods. Not in MY backyard, not in YOUR backyard, not in poor Magnolia’s backyard either. Such a facility should be surrounded by industrial/commercial space and positioned much further than a mile away from elementary schools and playgrounds. The proposed Highland Park site is <1 mile from 2 different elementary schools and <0.3 miles from the Pee Wee fields with only a trail filled, unfenced, unmonitored greenspace in-between.
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    Mags,
    The image chosen by the city is a bit misleading. There are homes less than half a mile from the jail site. You simply cannot see them on the image provided.
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    Chris and other “whiner” wielders,
    I would actually feel more comfortable with a max security prison than a misdemeanor jail. With a prison, the inmates are being housed for long periods of time. With the jail, offenders are there but a few hours or days. A jail will also bring with it pawnbrokers, bail bonds, and other “fast cash” places that either attract those looking for quick cash and are, like it or not, found mostly in neighborhoods with more criminal activity. The traffic in and out would be 24/7. The worry is not “breakouts,” it is what people do when they leave the jail. Wikipedia’s definition of misdemeanors includes: prostitution, theft, assault, public intoxication, etc. No issues of child safety there…
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    Again, I oppose all of the sites they have chosen due to the close proximity to residences. Unfortunately, it will always fall to the residents of the impacted areas to stand up for themselves. I don’t fault the residents of Alki, Admiral, etc if they do not join the “fray” because it is simply not feasible for everyone to get involved with every issue. You have to choose your battles or risk going insane. What would be nice is a little support and understanding – neighborhood to neighborhood and neighbor to neighbor.
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    Thanks “d” for your comments. I’ll see you Monday night!

  • Jen May 18, 2008 (4:49 pm)

    Re: “it’s not a max security prison for child molestors & rapists” – given Seattle’s penchant as a city for not planning ahead, it’s not much of a stretch to see that when space for felons at existing locations runs out, the next, most logical place county officials will want to put them will be in the jail. And it likely won’t be too far in the future.

    Just sayin’.

  • flipjack May 18, 2008 (5:23 pm)

    Hey they could build the skateparks near these prisons, that would be convenient!

  • JimmyG May 18, 2008 (7:27 pm)

    Kat, read my post about what happened in Kent with the Regional Justice Center Jail.
    There are no bail bondsmen, pawn brokers, or other “fast cash” (whatever that is) businesses around. All of which are legal businesses by the way.
    Of course maybe the Duke’s Chowder House, Ram brewery, Chipotle, and Dilettante Cafe are the bad businesses you are talking about. Or maybe the Apple computer store, or the Ann Taylor store, or the movie theater. Because all of those listed opened literally across the street from the jail in the last 12-24 months, well after the jail was there.
    Where are your stats to back up your assertion that crime will go up in the area of jail?
    Please, if those opposed want to fight the site of the jail you’re going to have to come up with facts to show a negative impact.

  • d May 18, 2008 (8:35 pm)

    JimmyG – I’m not sure if you want me to move to Kent or if you are intimating that the City will tack on the same amenities to sugarcoat the propositions? I’m only kind of kidding.

    Really. Do you think there will be a soccer field and skate board park and ice stadium and shopping mall built with this facility? Are you kidding?

    Isn’t this area industrial zoned for industrial use only? I think it is. Aren’t you suggesting commercial and institutional use for an industrial zone? Oh, I just think it is ridiculous to believe all that other crap would be incorporated into the facility? I don’t really get your point I guess. THe City has to prove the worthiness of the proposed site to me. I don’t have to do anything. Other than sell if I don’t like the outcome.

    And, it’s not so much a knee-jerk reaction. It is more like a spidey-sense of economic doom and gut-wrenching anxiety at the loss of neighborhood quietude, such as it is. But, thanks for recognizing there MIGHT BE a physical reaction!

    And, to you Kat – WORD!!!

  • Kat May 18, 2008 (10:57 pm)

    Let’s see here… The Ann Taylor could go next to the Waste Management facility… How about a Red Robin on the other side? I’m sure an Apple Store will pop up right next to Chemithon and we can all head down the hill for some bistro dining next to SeaFreeze. Hizzah! If it weren’t for the ugliness of reality…
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    The stats for your beloved Kent Juvenile Detention Facility:
    5 bail bonds businesses within 1 mile and 3 more within 0.5 miles.
    9 cash advance locations within 2 miles and 2 within a mile.
    5 pawn shops within 3 miles.

  • Frank May 18, 2008 (11:16 pm)

    I’m tired of seeing South Seattle used as a dumping ground. 6 Years a go it was the Sex Offenders Housing on 4th and Spokane, now this. What is WRONG with spreading out with in the city. West Seattle was picked for 5 of the Urban Villages under Rice. Only ONE other area was selected, and they only got ONE of the villages(Hint – It wasn’t Queen Anne, Magnolia, Windemere or any of the “high value” areas).
    Whats wrong with putting it in Magnolia? Or Northgate? Or Ballard? Or (god forbid) Windemere?
    Why is south and west Seattle the prefered choice???

  • cc May 18, 2008 (11:46 pm)

    Frank, I beleive the city thinks it is choosing the path of least resistance, which may have been the case in the past but there are many of us in Highland Park ready to show some resistance!!! If we are silent we will be chosen only if we speak up do we have a chance.Please use the blogs link to the city page and leave a comment or a question.

  • cc May 19, 2008 (12:07 am)

    Jimmyg, For all the businesses that went into kent after the jail was built, that was THEIR CHOICE \\\\ Here in Highland Park we want OUR CHOICE, and from what I can tell from talking to many residents of Highland Park our choice is NO Jail less than a mile from two elementary schools and parks and long established neighborhoods that have had a ton of clean up and improvement with the projects being torn down and highpoint being torn down, both being rebuilt to eliminate the high concentration of poverty and mix the income levels by having some subsidized housing some rental apartments and single family housing all in one area rather than all subsidized housing. We are coming out of being the dumping ground of the city and are not ready to have a jail put in our neighborhood so there can be a revolving door with criminals pouring out into our neighborhood upon their release. Jails do not belong in anyones neighborhood. There has to be a better answer.BTW did you know kent jail was built with the intent to expand by one third… maybe thats our answer but first we would have to get the city and the county to agree on this matter …

  • JimmyG May 19, 2008 (6:19 am)

    Kat,
    It’s NOT a juvenile detention facility in Kent. It’s an adult jail for adults only, felons included.
    And Kent didn’t sugarcoat the placing of the jail there. The jail is a King County built and maintained facility, and the city of Kent allowed development of the businesses and recreational facilities next to it after 10 years of seeing the jail wasn’t a blight on the neighborhood.

    Again, link to some stats of crime going up next to a jail.

    I realize many of you are against the jail being put here in WS, that’s fine, that’s your opinion. But as a fellow WS neighbor (actually pretty close to one of the sites) I’m okay with it and will gladly tell the city that.

  • d May 19, 2008 (7:09 am)

    I don’t need to provide stats about increased crime. And, besides, that’s not the only factor issue – we are talking about livability and property values becoming permanently depressed.

    I have an image of Pioneer Square environs in my mind. The misdemeanor releases around the County facility downtown have not contributed to much of a positive image, to my way of seeing things. Yes, bail bond shops are legitimate business. But, not a business associated with the standard concept of a place to raise kids. Now, I think it is likely that every neighborhood in Seattle has some experience with and share of the homelessness and vagrancy and chronic alcoholic and drug addicts. But, misdemeanor crimes will not require more than, I believe, one year of incarceration. So, that’s how many releases per day/week/year. And, what type of follow-up studies has the City/County done on those misdemeanors released from the County facility. That is the information these neighborhoods will expect to be reported to, at a minimum.

    The way I see it, the burden of proof of no harm to these communities is on the City and those who are proponents of the jail sites adjacent to residential areas, not me. Further, not only is my expectation that they provide copious evidence of no harm based on studies done on tracking of released misdemeanor prisoners, but they should also be providing an argument for immediate benefits to the immediate neighborhoods these sites are proposed within.

    What the heck any possible benefits TO THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENCES could be is beyond me. Jails need to be built but in the right place. And, these locations are not the right place. The City needs a do-over with their consultant here. And/or, the County needs to be re-involved. Or, other similarly situated cities need to be affiliated with as a correctional facility coalition.

    The burden of proof is on the City. Not the neighborhoods.

  • chris May 19, 2008 (9:35 pm)

    “…property values becoming permanently depressed…”

    ah yes, the true path of NIMBY-ism.

    it’s not so much a depression as a correction for moving to the blight that already is WS.

  • Billy May 21, 2008 (1:49 pm)

    Highland Park Location: Out of sight out of mind. It’s true, it’s human nature. When people ask me where I live, I have to say sort of between West Seattle and White Center, then people say..Oh Delridge? No, Highland Park, it’s much easier to get downtown compared to West Seattle, in fact it’s faster for me to get downtown than it is for a Ballard resident. We have sidewalks, huge planting strips, huge cedar tree trees, amazing parks…and CHEAPER housing, and people STILL don’t know about Highland Park. The only draw back is it’s really quiet up here. I kind of like it that way, it’s our secret little neighborhood.

    Perhaps that explains why the city thought Highland Park Avenue and West Marginal was the edge of the earth, perfect for the down and out..out of sight, out of mind.

    Statistically, approx 20% of the 450 bed prison is homeless, this 450 person jail will have approx that same turnover every two days. That’s 9 homeless people doing what it takes to survive in any neighborhood the jail’s located every two days. (Hey Jimmy, prostitution is a legitimate business also)

    This isn’t about NIMBY *ss*oles, it’s about the prison population, how to help them, and also provide an efficient location for ALL of the officers doing the dirty work. Just wait until 99 construction begins, ha ha ha ha.

    None of these sites are acceptable. What about SODO Seattle!?

    Thanks for reading.

  • d May 25, 2008 (4:34 pm)

    Reminding folks that a second Highland Park Action Committee meeting is scheduled:

    June 2 – Monday
    7:00 PM

    @1116 SW Holden
    at the Highland Park Improvement Club

    Nearly 100 concerned, positive people attended the first meeting on very short notice. We are expecting many, many more at this next meeting.

    You need to be there.
    Hope to see you there.

    For more information: http://www. highlandpk.net

  • max moto July 28, 2008 (8:46 am)

    as i pulled into the city of folsum ,california i’d heard so much about the awesome prison building,so the city folsum,calif is famous for ,catch and release technology? johnny cash song?,the law states that the industrial land of the duwammish shall be used for industry not jails not rehab centers its all ready written into the covenent ,by the founding fathers

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